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Introduction to Buddism

�?Concept of Self and Other

--taught by Mykkyo

Mykkyo_ : remember the piano, you aren’t detaching from anything
Mykkyo_ : yes all will be better soon, not a single thing in this universe is permanent

intense_female : so you just .... wait for it to pass?

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : Detachment Philosophy is hard to grasp

Mykkyo_ : yes and pass it will as all things do....

intense_female : okay how about this
intense_female : would you understand what I meant if I asked how you as a Buddhist would deal with your own personal shadows?

Mykkyo_ : but as you grow to understand these things, as it comes and goes it will no longer cause you grief
Mykkyo_ : my skeletons in the closet so to speak?

intense_female : yeah you know how your walkin along on path
intense_female : then BOOM some thing about yourself boils up
intense_female : and burns

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : here
Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : what do you do when you Suffer?
Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : since you are not "enlightened"

intense_female : yeah what Worm said

Mykkyo_ : I step back and look at the cause....apply what, at my level of understanding, I know to be true...then laugh at my own ignorance =)

intense_female : thanks for translating
intense_female : Mykkyo that sounds good but when that shit boils up
intense_female : it gets all in your lungs and in your eyes
intense_female : you know?
intense_female : I mean I understand the philosophy
intense_female : but how do you make it into a shovel to dig your way out of shit?

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : u suffer

Mykkyo_ : when you start to see these things for what they are that will dwindle and eventually stop

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : until suffering isn’t suffering

intense_female : so you ignore it?
intense_female : sorry hun just wondering
intense_female : you said something about Buddhism being a way to end suffering

Mykkyo_ : no I examine it, and realize what it truly is. then once I do it’s no longer painful

intense_female : ah okay
intense_female : that’s what I was after
intense_female : so how do you use Zen

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : accept and release I once heard sum one mumble

intense_female : how is it practicle?
intense_female : accept, embrace, and release

Mykkyo_ : once enlightened...there will be no need even for the examination

intense_female : yep

Mykkyo_ : yes, but eventually none of those will be needed

intense_female : I don’t know if I would ever want to be so enlightened that I didn’t need to feel
intense_female : yes but those steps have brought me so much learning, and understanding

Mykkyo_ : you still feel, the world doesn’t change...only he way you perceive it changes
Mykkyo_ : the sky will still be the sky

intense_female : but wouldn’t you not feel the deep emotional upsets

Mykkyo_ : the ocean the ocean
Mykkyo_ : your friends your friend

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : your pain ur pain

intense_female : so detachment

intense_female : that’s what detachment is

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : and ur happiness ur happinees

intense_female : your the whole ocean not just being beaten by a wave on the shore

Mykkyo_ : yes true V, but neither will be the same as they where

Laurelovely01 : so you wont actually enjoy happiness because enjoyment would be an attachment?

Mykkyo_ : you remember those conditionings of our lives Intense/

intense_female : yea

Mykkyo_ : what you see as detachment is one of those conditionings

intense_female : lost

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : the same could said of what u see of Buddhism
Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : or what I see of Zen
Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : or what laurel sees of depression
Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : or what tensey sees of crack rocks

Mykkyo_ : this concept looks to you like detachment because that’s the way you know it...you have to open you mind more
Mykkyo_ : Zen is Buddhism

intense_female : okay so why read Zen koans?
intense_female : how does a koan help me?

Mykkyo_ : they are riddles, through there understanding these truths that I speak of are shown

intense_female : oh by the way worm, fuck you on the crack rocks comment

Mykkyo_ : lol

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : its all relevant

intense_female : lol

Mykkyo_ : also true

intense_female : or what worm sees of gerbils up his ass

Mykkyo_ : that the who self other concept

intense_female : like that?

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : lol

Mykkyo_ : its a dream one just needs to wake up

intense_female : sorry Mykkyo you had to give it to me like street talk

Mykkyo_ : anyway you can understand is fine by me

Laurelovely01 : so if its an illusion then I have control over it
Laurelovely01 : and can change it
Laurelovely01 : perceive it as i choose

Mykkyo_ : can you change the events of your dreams, mold them as you like?

intense_female : holly shit ! If laurel just got that Mykkyo this chat was a total success !!!!!!!!!!

Laurelovely01 : hey...be kind

Mykkyo_ : you have a means to gain control of it yes

intense_female : that was the kind version

Laurelovely01 : damn!

intense_female : you

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : holy fucking shit bro!-Adam Sandler

intense_female : lol

Mykkyo_ : the means are what we have been discussing and the path I mentioned earlier

intense_female : sorry Mykkyo our little minds snapped L think

Laurelovely01 : I have a means?
Laurelovely01 : ok now ya lost me again

Mykkyo_ : hehe that’s ok....this stuff does it to me to at times
Mykkyo_ : yes the path was laid by those who when to enlightenment before us

intense_female : hmm

Mykkyo_ : by following it, you will realize the means

intense_female : how many you figure get enlightened?
intense_female : do you have to be a monk?

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : no

Mykkyo_ : not many in a single life...but the effects of the path will still be seen

Laurelovely01 : how do you know when your enlightened
Laurelovely01 : ok ok ok stop

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : I believe quite a few reach "enlightenment"

intense_female : lol

Mykkyo_ : no not a monk....but a individual with true desire to wake

Laurelovely01 : you said, at the very beginning
Laurelovely01 : that Buddism was a path ...hold on let me find it

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : since my separateness makes me think it is sumthin different
Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : a lil from column a

intense_female : lol

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : and a lil from column b

intense_female : Mykkyo... so the Dali Lama is a Buddha?

Mykkyo_ : Bodhisattva

intense_female : not the same?

intense_female : bbuddha hood

Mykkyo_ : he is the reincarnation of Avalokitevara

intense_female : right

Mykkyo_ : the Bodhisattva of compassion

Laurelovely01 : and freedom from the circle of death and rebirth that keeps you locked in this state of suffering from lifetime to lifetime...sound good? JJ

intense_female : right the father of Tara right?

Mykkyo_ : yes and Buddhism is that path,
Mykkyo_ : but not the only one I should say

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : well put

intense_female : ok

Laurelovely01 : so how can it take more than one lifetime then
Laurelovely01 : unless your not good at it

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : lol

Laurelovely01 : I don’t mean to offend...trying to understand

Mykkyo_ : well that brings in the subject of Karma, and that’s a whole lot of typing

Rûthlëss_Víllåiñ : does it not take practice to ride a bike?

Laurelovely01 : lol

Laurelovely01 : good answer

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