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From: MSN Nicknameswitchgears1_  (Original Message)Sent: 6/12/2007 2:38 PM

Father in 'honor killing' found guilty of murder

Brit ordered his daughter strangled for falling in love with wrong man

LONDON - A father who ordered his daughter brutally slain for falling in love with the wrong man in a so-called “honor killing�?was found guilty of murder on Monday.

Banaz Mahmod, 20, was strangled with a boot lace, stuffed into a suitcase and buried in a back garden.

Her death is the latest in an increasing trend of such killings in Britain, home to some 1.8 million Muslims. More than 100 homicides are under investigation as potential “honor killings.�?/P>

More here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19176808/?GT1=10056

Sorry, but I don't want this element in a society where I live.



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From: MSN Nicknameswitchgears1_Sent: 6/19/2007 1:08 AM
<NOBR>John-Margetts</NOBR> Sent: 6/16/2007 5:25 PM
Mixed race/religion marriages are commonplace here as well.  The sort of thing in the lead post is very rare.  And 50 years is not so long.  Are you sure it hasn't happened recently?
 
Not that I know of John and sure it would have been made a big deal of, with certain elements trying to instigate problems between the races. Having said that... there is always an element in any society, that uses predjudice as an excuse for brutality.
 
The south isn't the sterotype, that one sees in the movies or reads about in books. It's kinda funny really, that there are as many people from the north and other countries here, than true southerners... yet the stories come from that quarter.  LOL 
 

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From: MSN NicknameNeverCominHome1Sent: 6/20/2007 1:57 PM
What about Oral Roberts University forbidding mixed-race dating?  That's within the last 4-5 years...and I wish that were an anomaly that we could write off.  They just had the (bob?) Jones's to say what a lot of people think...but the veneer must be present...

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From: MSN Nicknameswitchgears1_Sent: 6/24/2007 7:09 PM
<NOBR>NeverCominHome1</NOBR> Sent: 6/20/2007 7:57 AM
What about Oral Roberts University forbidding mixed-race dating?  That's within the last 4-5 years...and I wish that were an anomaly that we could write off.  They just had the (bob?) Jones's to say what a lot of people think...but the veneer must be present...

I didn't say there wasn't predjudice in the south, but there is every bit as much in the north... just different targets... and in every other country in the world. It's a human thing and not a very admirable trait, to be sure. On the news (not that you can believe anything they say) I see more hate crimes commited in the north, than the south. 

But... haven't seen any "honor killings" in the US. This seems to be more about religion than race.

While we're on the subject of predjudice, I see more directed at caucasians than any other race.

 


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From: MSN NicknameneverCominHomeSent: 6/24/2007 7:13 PM
While we're on the subject of predjudice, I see more directed at caucasians than any other race.

rofl...that's a numbers game here.  They don't call it the 'majority' for nothing luv. 

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From: MSN Nicknameswitchgears1_Sent: 6/26/2007 5:28 PM
Welll... caucasians aren't allowed to have all white colleges.

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From: MSN NicknameJohn-MargettsSent: 6/29/2007 10:57 PM
They wouldn't necessarily be called "honour killings" in the USA, Switch, as that is just the name the Muslims use.  But no father losing his temper with his daughter for taking up with someone of the wrong colour?  He is not necessarily going to admit to his reasons.  I am not trying to justify these events in Britain, or denigrate you Americans to match but this report is really a part of the continueing attempt by our governments/establishments to demonise all of the Islamic world.  It is propaganda and should be treated as such.  This man killed his daughter because he is an arsehole, not because he is a Muslim.

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From: MSN Nicknameswitchgears1_Sent: 7/2/2007 11:47 PM
 
John, 
 
 
According to a United Nations report, at least 5,000 women worldwide each year are murdered under the pretext of “honor killings.�?As defined by UNICEF, an honor killing is an ancient practice in which men kill female relatives in the name of family honor for forced or suspected sexual relations outside marriage.
 
 Honor killings also have occurred in Australia, Brazil, Britain, Canada, Ecuador, Italy, Sweden and the United States. However, these killings often remain a private, family affair, so an accurate picture of the practice and its frequency does not exist.
 
Honor killings are a pre-Islamic, tribal custom. In these cultures, a family’s status depends largely upon its honor, as determined to a great extent by a daughter’s propriety, Ammar explains. A woman’s virginity is considered the property of her male relatives, whose duty it is to guard it. If the woman is even suspected of infidelity, whether consensual or forced, she may be mutilated, tortured, raped or killed in order to defend family honor. In most cases, the woman’s brother or husband carries out the punishment without fear of retribution; the male who had relations with or raped her also faces no reprisal.
 
 
Sorry, but I've yet to hear of a Methodist or Baptist killing their child for honor.
 
My point is this... I don't want cannibels in my society, either.
 
I'm not predjudice against people of other races, nationalities or religions... but when old customs and traditions are still practiced and this horrific, I don't want to rub elbows with them.
 
I don't know if you have a daughter (I don't) but think of the horror of knowing for sure, that your own father was going to kill you.
 
She sought help numerous times and got none. Was it because a normal human being wouldn't think of such a thing and therefore, the british police did not take her seriously? Was it because she was muslim? Was it because she was female?
 
I'm not ragging on you, John... but society needs to stop being so afraid of being considered 'politically incorrect' and start worrying about the impact of allowing certain elements in their midst.

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From: MSN Nicknameswitchgears1_Sent: 7/3/2007 12:06 AM
p.s. I don't feel the same way about muslim women. As far as I know, they don't kill their young.

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From: MSN NicknameNeverCominHome1Sent: 7/6/2007 7:51 PM
Sorry, but I've yet to hear of a Methodist or Baptist killing their child for honor.

Don't get me started.  There's a woman on trial in Memphis, I think they convicted her and threw her away good and hard, because she shot her husband who abused her.  He was a church of christ minister.  Every Sunday they had to put on the facade of the perfect church family, yet her whole family knew he was an a$$hole who was at the very least a mean control freak.  Too bad they didn't find out until too late the extent of the abuse he heaped on his wife.
 
Too bad she had to shoot the f***** herself to keep alive.  But then again, maybe that'll keep her sane...knowing he'll never touch her again.  So.  Don't even go there thinking that these conservative 'christian' people are stainless.

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From: MSN Nicknameswitchgears1_Sent: 7/6/2007 9:42 PM
Jen
 
Are you saying, that this falls into the realm of a religious honor killing?  I stand by my statement.

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From: MSN NicknameneverCominHomeSent: 7/7/2007 4:50 PM
I'm saying that people do the hell of a lot of stupid stuff in the name of religion when in reality they are using the power granted to them by that organization to do what they want to whomever they want.  That's what I'm saying.  None of it's right.  Don't confuse stupidity and psychosis with religion or culture.

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From: MSN Nicknameswitchgears1_Sent: 7/8/2007 3:56 AM
I hear you and agree... but this is a tribal custom.  I went to the web site and looked at the murdered girl and her sister. There was no hope in their eyes. They are just  disposalable chattel.

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From: MSN Nicknameswitchgears1_Sent: 7/8/2007 3:59 AM
And this happens to 5,000 women a year. Even if they are raped, they're killed because it's a smear on the family honor...and nothing is done to the man who did it.
 

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From: MSN NicknameUnrulyOrangeSent: 3/6/2008 11:42 AM
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I bet you are one Southern man that does not beat women.
 
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