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From: MSN Nickname1camper1  (Original Message)Sent: 1/21/2003 3:16 AM
Lets see, One man,plus cargo for campout,, strip construction with fiberglass, and 16ft.
maby ill try and construct a modle


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From: MSN NicknameSpokanoemakerSent: 1/23/2003 4:08 AM
What kind of water do you expect to be in: Lake/River, whitewater, ocean-going?
 
If you are the primary user and only passenger most of the time, you probably will (a) load gear forward, (b) Put yourself in a 1/3-2/3 configuration with yourself seated at the 33% line or so.  This means you will want a thwart just aft of that position to support your back when paddling. 
 
You will probably appreciate a center thwart with a yoke slightly forward of the balance point so you can carry it from the cartopper rack to the water.
 
If it's just you in the canoe, make sure you plan for foolproof airtight compartments or built-in flotation; a stripper canoe plus its related fiberglas and resin isn't necessarily bouyant--in fact, will more likely be neutrally bouyant if beefed up with lots of glass.  This is especially important if you plan to have gear lashed in that doesn't float, or will sink if it's wet.
 
In a solo 16-footer, you will want the boat to be responsive to your efforts to steer it if your propulsion system is just you and the paddle.  This suggests that you build in at least 1.5" to as much as 3" of rocker (bowing in the spine of the canoe), and minimize keelstrips, both to minimize resistance to turning moment.  Not true if you want to sail it, though.
 
Those anticipating big-water solo trips, usually plan in some extra stability (width, plus raised gunwhales to resist wave action.  Maybe extra fullness in bow and stern).  They don't want to tip over out there. 
 
Another thing to consider is wind resistance at the bow: a 16-footer with a big snout can exert a lot of leverage against the poor, tired paddler in the stern.  Consider instead having enclosed decks or hatches up forward, with a lower profile, like the kayak idea.  You could use a thin cowling to deflect any spray or chop-splash from entering the cockpit area. 
 
A stripper will build you a really strong boat.  But not necessarily the lightest one, depending on (a) the wood you choose (b) its thickness and length of strips (c) the width of the strips (and the copnsequent number of glue joints) (d) the number and weight of the fiberglas coats on the outside and (optional) inside.  Similar boats are available using three-ply 1/8" strips or planks, with lighter weight, but I have no information about relative strength.  I do know that carrying a heavy canoe any long distance by your ownself is a quick deterrent to unnecessary bulk and sturdiness.
 
Let me know what you think of these comments...do they apply to your planning?
 
JR Sloan 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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From: mossSent: 2/4/2003 2:57 AM
If your going wood strip, maybe think about cedar, or white pine. Skip the fiber glass cloth and resin inside and out. Outside should be put on with a resin card (similar to a plastic bondo spreader) Inside can be brushed on. This would lighten it up some compared to using fiberglass cloth and a lot more then using canvass which should be keep to deeper waters.
 
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From: MSN Nickname1camper1Sent: 2/5/2003 1:31 AM
Getting some good ideas here. Will probably use it on slower rivers. What is the suggested thickness and width of the strips

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From: MSN NicknameSpokanoemakerSent: 2/10/2003 2:35 AM
Cedar Strip conventions have strips at 3/4" x 1/4" finished size, whatever length you need. My personal opinion is, this is too narrow, and too thin. You can cut workable strips as wide as 1-1/2" and need them to be as much as 3/8" thick, and here's why: the wider strips cover more hull more quickly, and will not split as easily (lengthwise) as the 3/4" material; the 3/8" thickness allows you more leeway for shaping and sanding later. In my latest canoe, the width of the boat determined sharper curves at each end to meet the bow and stern knees; these sharper bends in the wood required more on-hull machining to make a fair surface, so I was grateful for the thicker material; as it was, some got sanded so thin they were becoming translucent before applying the glass and epoxy.

Also, having tried it, I recommend against using bead and cove edges on wider strips (they're fine for covering the missed fits on edges of 3/4" strips). Take the extra time to carefully bend the wider strips into position, and to plane their edges so they actually fit. Then, when you put on the epoxy fill coats, you will be certain the material gets down into the cracks and holds the wood strips together at all intended points of contact.

JR

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From: MSN NicknameNorthernFrostbackSent: 3/28/2004 7:39 PM
You may want to consider the Prospector 16'; it is a tried and true design that packs a huge load, handles well in whitewater as well as flat water, offers excellent stability (for fishing or tricky rapids) and is easy to build.
 
Two winters ago, I built a Prospector (cedar strip) using plans from Bear Mountain Boats.  Using standard strips (1/4 x 7/8) with 6 oz glass in/out and with an extra layer of glass below the waterline, cherry outwales & oak inwales with walnut/cherry decks, it weights 60 lbs.  Not bad for portaging and a dream to paddle!  Well worth a look.
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From: MSN NicknameMeWolf1Sent: 4/30/2004 6:23 AM
I've been building and teaching canoe buiding for 10 yearsor so and the only info that I have seen here is from Frostback. No offense guys, but wider and thicker stips makes for a bugger of a time stipping up. I do use the 3/8x1 1/2 for 24ft. North boats, but as for the solo or tandem it don't pay! Furthermore, you MUST,,,MUST glass in and out orn the boat WILL break! You should be able to get the weight under 60lbs.
 
just my opinion, but 16' is to big for a solo boat. 14-15 is better
 
Wolf

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