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From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_  (Original Message)Sent: 4/12/2008 4:32 PM

The Church is the Body of Christ


Eph. 1.20...(God) raised him (Christ) from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21  Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22  And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23  Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Eph. 4.11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12  For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14  That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15  But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16  From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

All things are under the feet of Christ, and the Church is the Body of Christ, and the Body includes the feet, thus God has placed all under the Church, with Christ as the Head.

To what else does Christ give this authority?

Christ placed apostles in His Church (Body), prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers.  What other body or group did He give these offices to?  If you said, "None", you are correct.  It is only His Body that He does His work through.  He does not work through the lost--He works through the saved, and the saved are His Body.  If you have ever read, or heard, even one Scripture, you have been touched by the Body of Christ.

I Cor. 12.8  For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9  To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10  To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11  But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally (individually)as he will.
12  For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13  For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14  For the body is not one member, but many.
15  If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16  And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17  If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18  But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19  And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20  But now are they many members, yet but one body.

Through the Holy Spirit, the Church (Body) is given the gifts of the Spirit.  To whom has the Holy Spirit given the spiritual gifts, except to the Body (the Church)?  If you answered, "None", you answered correctly.  It is only His Body that He does His work through.  He does not work through the lost--He works through the saved, and the saved are His Body.  If you have ever been witnessed to, or had one Scripture quoted to you, you have been touched by the Body of Christ, for it is the Body that has preserved His Word, per His direction, for two millennia.


 
 
The Apostle Paul taught that we are the Body of Christ.  The Head is in Heaven (see Ephesians) and the Body is on the earth.
 
You personally have a head and a body of your own, in this world.  Whose body do you work through?  Yours or someone else's?  Your own, of course.
 
Even so, Christ does His work through His own Body, the Church.  He does not work through the unsaved, either Jew or Gentile.  He works through His own Body, the Church, and the Church is comprised of born-again believers--not those who say they are born again, but those who actually are.  There are no tares in the Body.
 

 
Just as we receive godly teaching only from the saved (the Church), even so, it is true that Christ has chosen His Body as the vehicle of expression of Himself in this world.
 
Your feet and my feet (all Christians) are the only feet of Christ that will go to this world.
 
Your hands and my hands (all Christians) are the only hands of Christ that will minister to this world.
 
The only Christ this world will SEE is the Body of Christ in the Church.
 

 

Whom did God tell to go into all the world and to make disciples of the nations?

To whom has God given the ministry of reconciliation?

Can you name anyone in the New Testament saved apart from the Body of Christ, the Church?

What did the angel tell Cornelius to do so he could be saved?

What "foolish" thing has God chosen by which to save those who will be saved?

What is the mystery that God revealed to Paul, which is the "hope of glory"?

To whom is every born-again Christ united in the Spirit?

What does the Holy Spirit baptize believers into?

How does God make Jews and Gentiles one instead of two?

What does God use besides His Church to accomplish His purpose in the earth, i.e., the salvation of those who are lost?

There is one thing the gates of hell will not prevail against.  What is it?

Who will rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years?


©2007 MrWonder.



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From: MSN NicknamewedgewoodthymeSent: 5/27/2008 11:25 AM

MrWonder, you said,

""Worketh righteousness" in Peter's mind may simply have meant..."

We don't have to wonder, assume, suppose or guess what "worketh righteousness" MAY have meant in Peter's mind. Scripture clearly shows us what Peter understood what "worketh righteousness" was. Read the next verses.

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

Doz, you said,

The church is also the City...

Could you show scriptures as to how that could possibly be true? We know that a "Church" is a body of peoples not a building called a church. The Holy City has walls and gates and foundations and measurements of length and breadth. The Holy City is a physical City with form and matter (Rev. 21).

In Christ,

Cindy


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From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_Sent: 5/28/2008 4:06 PM
I don't see Peter teaching salvation through works.
 
I see works through salvation.

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From: MSN NicknamewedgewoodthymeSent: 5/28/2008 9:07 PM

Doz,

Thank you for the welcome back. It is very good to be home.

Actually, I did read quite a lot of your Revelation study. I just couldn't agree with much of it.

Isaiah 60:14 actually says ..."they will be called the city of the LORD. It doesn't say they ARE the city. No more than Los Angles, California is the City of Angels, even though it is called that.

Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee; The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

Look at verse 60:10-11.

Isaiah 60:10 And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.

Isaiah 60:11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.

Isaiah 60:21 is talking about the people.

Isaiah 60:21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

The context of Isaiah is the land in which Israel will dwell. Israel is neither the land nor the city, but as a people they will inhabit the city. They, the people, don't have walls or gates. The City does, and Israel is the Bride.

The problem in understanding comes when one does not recognise that there are actually three churches in Scripture. The Church which was in the wilderness, the Church which was at Jerusalem and the Church which is the Body of Christ.

In Christ,

Cindy

 


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From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_Sent: 5/29/2008 5:04 PM
"City of the LORD" means it belongs to the LORD, by His choice.
 
The church in the wilderness is not the Body of Christ but the Church at Jerusalem and the Gentile church are all one Church - the Body of Christ.

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From: MSN NicknamewedgewoodthymeSent: 6/2/2008 10:56 PM

The church in the wilderness is not the Body of Christ but the Church at Jerusalem and the Gentile church are all one Church - the Body of Christ.

If you can understand that the Church in the wilderness is not the Body of Christ.... and you consider that the Church which was at Jerusalem is also made up of Jews and gentiles that blessed Israel... (similar to the church in the wilderness as it was a mixed group of people that left Egypt), you should be able to see that the Church the Body of Chirst is different from either of the others. It is a new Body of believers that is different from either of the other two. The Church which was at Jerusalem has more in common with the church in the wilderness than the Church which is the Body of Christ has with either of them.

In Christ,

Cindy

 


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From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_Sent: 6/3/2008 12:39 PM
The revelation God gave to Paul was of one church comprised of Jews and Gentiles.  That is the church that started at Jerusalem and continues to this day.
 
The "church in the wilderness" was the nation of Israel and hardly compares at all to the church which is the Body of Christ.
 
A Rolls-Royce and a Volkswagen bug are both cars but nothing interchanges.

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From: MSN NicknamewedgewoodthymeSent: 6/3/2008 2:00 PM

Mr Wonder

The "church in the wilderness" was the nation of Israel and hardly compares at all to the church which is the Body of Christ.

This is true... I agree completely.

However... The Church which was at Jerusalem fits that catagory also. Neither of them hardly compare to the Church which is the Body of Christ.

DIFFERENCES:

The Church at Jerusalem:

Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

The Church which is the Body of Chirst:

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

The Church which was at Jerusalem was keeping the ordinances... for the Church the Body of Christ, the ordinances have been abolished (although the Corinthians did have four to keep for a reason and eventually they also were done away with also).

The Church at Jerusalem:

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Luke 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

The Church at Jerusalem is looking for the kingdom to come to the earth.

The Church which is the Body of Christ:

Colossians 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

We are not asking for things to be done on earth as they are in Heaven... we are going to Heaven.

The Church which was at Jerusalem:

Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

The Church which was at Jerusalem was a fulfilling of known prophecy.

The Church the Body of christ:

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

I could go on and on...

In Christ,

Cindy


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From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_Sent: 6/4/2008 12:35 PM
Christ has one Church, one Bride.  He made of twain ONE - Jews and Gentiles comprise ONE church.
 
Because the Jews at Jerusalem got some things wrong doesn't mean they are not the church - the Gentiles at Corinth got some things wrong too, but they were still of the ONE BODY.
 
There is only ONE church that is the Body of Christ.

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From: MSN NicknamewedgewoodthymeSent: 6/4/2008 11:23 PM
Believe that if you must.  Scripture says differently.  Perhaps one day someone will be able to show you what I am trying to show you at a time when you are able to see it.   
 
In Christ
Cindy

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From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_Sent: 6/5/2008 12:39 PM
The Scripture agrees with me.
 
It says there is one Body.

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From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_Sent: 6/5/2008 12:40 PM
What I "must believe" is the Bible.
 
I have staked my life and eternity on it.

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From: MSN NicknamewedgewoodthymeSent: 6/5/2008 6:37 PM
I absolutely agree.... there is only one Church the Body of Christ... and only one Church that a person can be saved into today.  The Church which was at Jerusalem, however,  IS NOT a part of it.
 
In Christ,
Cindy

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From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_Sent: 6/6/2008 12:25 PM
I disagree 100%.  That would make two churches and there is only one.

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