Hi..I wondered about polygraphs..........I wondered if they really know if they are lying.seeing as they don't live in the real world and everything they say has to be scrutinised before you can believe even a half of it. With P here, she does know when she is lying.she isn't  a stupid person even though she did terribly at school. As a young child, she was very bright but with the onset of puberty her mind seem to wander to more destructive  measures. Not surprised really about the case worker......Ps evoke a sense in us that makes us want to reach aout and help them.....we can see they are in pain.and who do we blame?.....family upbringing or some trauma that must have happened. If the case worker is so wrapped up with this child, let him take him home and leave him with his own kids.

My son M is really intelligent he could get good grades when he wanted to but I do think that he knows when he's lying at least most of the time because I could see in his eyes and if I kept on pressing him he would get angry and admit he was lying.  That's why he didn't like to be confronted by me.  My ex-husband is a liar one that lies all the time and for reasons sometimes just to make his life seem more interesting so even though I got divorced from him 26 years ago I still know what lying eyes look like all too well.  This program that M is in Rescare uses polygraphs a lot the way I was told and I really don't see how they are going to work on him.  He lies sometimes just for the sake of lying - for one thing he has always told everyone that we "stole" him from Chile not adopted??!!He has so many issues - I knew he was messed up for a long time I just did not realize that he was sexually abusing these girls - that was just beyond my comprehension - of course my husband and some others made me believe that I was just imagining his behaviors so I was always second guessing what I saw.  Even though it is so painful to be going through this at least I know now that what I saw in M was right and he has stopped  inflicting new pain on his victims.

Genders,

   You know everyone wants to blame us the parents, but its not our fault, I have been blaming myself for years and just now after 20 years realize I did the best I could with what I had to deal with, everytime I turned around my NPD would accuse some else of molestation, it is only now that I truly bellieve that my daughter is the perpatrator not all these boys and men, I know it could happen to you maybe by a family member but when it just keeps happening it just don't add up.  My NPD is 29 and in the courts she is telling them that we spoiled her daughter and that is why she wants us and not her, if providing a child there basic need is spoiling then I give up, she is just mad cause she is cut off.  I know how you feel and what you must be going through, finding the right counsler is a start, get him tested with social securtiy and maybe if you could find a forensic physcologist that would help a lot.  get him fully diagnosed and remember it was never your fault, we will keep you in our prayers that things start looking up.  Keep asking questions and never stop, don't let them make you feel like the bad guy, your the victim.  God bless you and your family.

P's know the difference between right and wrong and they know they are lying.  They just lie so much they lose track of what is true and what is not.   And they chose to do wrong because why not?  They have no guilt or fear?  Normal feelings we all experience.   They only begin to feel when they get caught.  Then they feel bad because they can't control others any more and they now get controlled by the authorities.  So that is the extent of how much they have to offer others. 

Right on!   We all have a little of that in us but it is the PN who uses it when he does not even need to and it would benefit him to be honest.  They lie when they don't have to because they can.