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From: Masugu  (Original Message)Sent: 5/22/2003 9:24 PM
Hi Folks;

Its that time again. Although we didn't find the answers to Jim's big questions, hopefully we've at least given him some new leads.

This week we'll be addressing Pastlink's brickwall: "POTTORFF/BOTTORFF--Sangamon Co. Poor Farm"-originally posted on 26 Nov 2002. Pastlink recently sent an update, which follows:
"The only info that I am presently seeking is:
1. Cemetery for the Sangamon County Poor Farm or Almshouse Burial place. Would love to have a picture of the Almshouse in Sangamon Co. IL during the 1890's. Perhaps a postcard pic of the Jackson Co. State Hospital where they were transferred to during illness.
2. Locate the death/burial of Sarah (Gormon) (Forbes) (Pottorff) Reed wife to last known marriage of Arthur C. Reed who died in 1937 Macoupin Co. Otter Twp. She was the wife of my GGgrandfather Taylor Scott Pottorff until his death.

I appreciate all your help and what a great site this is. Thank you in advance"

This looks like another death and burial brickwall folks. Hopefully we can do better than we did with Jim.

*****
Next week will be Joan with "ROBERTS - Info before the Chicago Fire " posted on 2 Dec 2002. Joan can you provide any more details?

Joan's posting reads:
" I am trying to find information on Robert T Roberts, b. Wales 1840. He was in Chicago in 1870 according to census records. I am trying to find out when he came to the USA and with who. Is there anywhere to look other than Cook County? "

Okay, who's our immigration expert?

*****
After we've done Joan's brickwall we'll turn our efforts to redressing past injustices, thanks to Carolyn's heroic efforts. The first of the overlooked brickwalls we will tackle is that of MaryAnn1950 who first posted her brickwall, "Illinois SIMPSON's Fred, Earl, George, Nathaniel, Betsey, Nora, Robert ", on 31 July 2002.

Mary Ann's original message reads:
"I have come as far as I can in getting info on these people. Does anyone have any info? Please let me know if you do."

Mary Ann, I know you've had a few responses. This is your opportunity to update your brickwall. We'd be particularly interested in getting the WHEN and WHERE of these Simpsons to give us a place to start.

And so ends another chapter in the continuing saga of IKK Brainstorming

Cheers, Wayne


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Recommend  Message 18 of 32 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameDawsonDescendedSent: 5/24/2003 9:52 PM
2001 September 20 Obituaries
EVALENA ADAMS Evalena Pottorff Adams was born October 4, 1903, near Hatfield,
Missouri. She was the eighth child of George and Hettie (Austin) Pottorff. ...
www.mtayrnews.com/archives/20010920ob.htm - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
 
John W. Pottorff
Residence: Shelby County
Regiment: 41st Illinois Infantry, Company H
Rank: Private
 

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From: MSN NicknameDawsonDescendedSent: 5/24/2003 10:25 PM
Jessie Grace Hager
Jessie Grace Hager, 75, of Poca died April 30, 2003, in Hubbard Hospice House.
She was retired from Thomas Memorial Hospital with 25 years of service. She was a Christian.
She was preceded in death by her husband, William A. Hager, son, William R. Hager, brother, Darrell Kapp, and sisters, Irene Birchfield and Delores Massey.
Surviving: sisters, Betty Zitzelsberger and Hazel “Micky�?Pottorff; nieces, Vicky Tolan and Sharon Wise; nephews, Gordon and John Pottorff, Frank and Kenny Kapp, David Butch Birchfield, Tom Massey and Rick Zitzelsberger; grandson, Scott Hager; granddaughter, Patricia Hager; great-granddaughter, Madison Hager; daughter-in-law, Carolyn Hager.
A memorial service was held Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at Rock Branch Independent Church with Pastor Delber Hawley officiating. The body was donated to West Virginia University. Gatens Funeral Home, Poca, was in charge of arrangements.
Memorial donations may be made to Hubbard Hospice House, 1001 Kennawa Drive, Charleston 25311.
POTTORFF, Virgil R. 1914 2000
in the "Find An Obituary" window ins the upper portion of this page type in the surname you are seeking and press search.
 
Here are 6 of the 50 that turned up for Pottorff
Muriel N Pottorff View Obituary
Born: 2/15/1918  Died: 12/18/2002  Residence: Canon City, CO 
Lynn G Pottorff View Obituary
Born: 1/6/1915  Died: 12/3/2002  Residence: Lamar, MO 
Monroe E Pottorff View Obituary
Born: 1/18/1917  Died: 11/26/2002  Residence: Summerdale, PA 
Paulette W Pottorff View Obituary
Born: 10/24/1942  Died: 11/24/2002  Residence: Hagerstown, MD 
Anna M Pottorff View Obituary
Born: 3/31/1917  Died: 11/18/2002  Residence: Paragon, IN 
Barbara D Pottorff View Obituary
Born: 10/2/1937  Died: 10/4/2002  Residence: Martinsville, IN 
 
 
 

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Recommend  Message 20 of 32 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameDawsonDescendedSent: 5/24/2003 11:13 PM
lateral tree perhaps?
 
 
has pictures of various Pottorff's

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From: MSN NicknameDawsonDescendedSent: 5/25/2003 4:43 PM

Diener and Dorweis Ancestors and Relatives

<NOBR>Entries: 15814</NOBR>    <NOBR>Updated: Sun May 18 18:27:12 2003</NOBR>    <NOBR>Contact: Nancy D. Regan </NOBR>

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  • ID: I11653
  • Name: Joseph FORBES
  • Surname: Forbes
  • Given Name: Joseph
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 1832/1833 in New York, USA
  • Death: BEF 1931
  • _UID: C560C9CD2AEFD611803D444553540000A86D
  • Event: Mother's Birthplace New York, USA
  • Event: 1880 Census Age 0047
  • Occupation: Painter 1880 Springfield, Sangamon, Illinois, USA Page 96C
  • Event: Father's Birthplace New York, USA
  • Change Date: 23 Nov 2002 at 20:29:02

    Marriage 1 Sarah C. GARMAN b: 1854/1855 in Kentucky, USA
    • Married: 1872
    Children
    1. Has Children John T. FORBES b: 1872/1873 in Illinois, USA
    2. Has No Children Belle FORBES b: 1874/1875 in Illinois, USA
    3. Has Children Martha A. FORBES b: 1877/1878 in Illinois, USA

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    Recommend  Message 23 of 32 in Discussion 
    From: PastlinkSent: 5/25/2003 6:49 PM
    Masugu:  Thank you so very much for the "extra mile" that you have walked to help me in my journey of 'seek and find' those hard to trace relatives. 
     
    I find this one (1910 Census, don't know how I missed this one) very interesting because my grandfather Herbert Garland Pottorff was supposedly raised by an Aunt Martha ??Davis?? No one in the family seem to know if the last name was Davis or not.  This seems to confirm the hearsay!  I always (assumed) that it was Sarah's sister who may have raised him after his father was in the county almshouse in 1892 but could not figure why Sarah didn't take him.
     
    Wayne:  Both of those posts to the query boards were mine--don't think anyone is looking for my relatives (grin)
     
    Dawson Descended:  Thank you for all your extra work --There is so much here that I did not have that it will take me a while to digest all of it.  I have printed this out and will take it step by step to see if any of the other names will help me find some of mine.  I will certainly check out the Joseph Forbes a little closer.  I wonder if Sarah C Forbes and Sarah F Forbes are one and the same?  So much of it matches and yet proving it may be another story. 
     
    I sent a previous Thank You to the board but it did not show up.  Again, I really, really appreciate all the work that went into this brainstorming--I hope to meet both of you at the IKK reunion.

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    Recommend  Message 24 of 32 in Discussion 
    From: MSN NicknameDawsonDescendedSent: 5/25/2003 7:18 PM
    Pastlink,
     
    You're most welcome on my behave.  I would be very interested in knowing down the road if you actually were able to prove all those marriages involved the same woman or if there were indeed 4 Sarah's.  The fact that Taylor's trail is in Missouri and then mentioned in the Illinois Marriage index is haunting.  I cannot imagine there being two Taylor Pottorff's.  Actually Sarah's surname in the Illinois Database is spelled Forebs (not sure if that is actual or error) in 1887.
     
    Curious indeed,
    Carolyn

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    Recommend  Message 25 of 32 in Discussion 
    From: MSN NicknameDawsonDescendedSent: 5/25/2003 7:19 PM
    behave = behalve

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    Recommend  Message 26 of 32 in Discussion 
    From: MasuguSent: 5/25/2003 8:35 PM
    Pastlink;

    You're quite welcome. I always try put a little more into the Brainstorming sessions. Hopefully it makes them that much more valuable.

    It does sound as thought the Davis/Forbes find in 1910 will pay off for you.

    Unfortunately, I won't be at the reunion.

    Once again, I have yet to recieve at least a 3rd of the messages in this thread--MSN at work again.

    Cheers, Wayne

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    Recommend  Message 27 of 32 in Discussion 
    From: MSN NicknameDawsonDescendedSent: 5/25/2003 9:30 PM
    Pastlink,
     
    I highly recommend searching http://www.rootsweb.com/~mohenry/henryco.html for your Pottorff's plenty of obituaries here that match your relatives. The information regarding burials may also be available in Henry County, Missouri.
     
    Carolyn

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    Recommend  Message 28 of 32 in Discussion 
    From: MSN NicknameDawsonDescendedSent: 5/25/2003 10:16 PM
    Last_Name First_Name Middle_Name B_yr B_mo B_dy Mothers_Last_Name Fathers_Last_Name Sex Bp County_of_Death D_yr D_mo D_dy SS_Number Age idno
     POTTERF   ETTA   BELLE   1877   07   04   WOLFSTON   LIVINGSTON   FEMALE   WI   LOS ANGELES   1952   04   28      74   0 
     POTTERF   ORLYSTIS   M   1871   08   23   MCNEALY      MALE   OH   LOS ANGELES   1964   12   03   556464136   93   0 
     POTTERF   JAMES   L   1882   11   03   MCNEELY      MALE   KA   LOS ANGELES   1965   06   05   572443130   82   0 
     POTTERF   CEM   F   1882   12   01   MCNEALY      MALE   KA   LOS ANGELES   1966   03   05   509166083   83   0 
     POTTERF   PAULINE   J   1898   08   15   PROCTOR      FEMALE   IO   LOS ANGELES   1966   10   13   513168114   68   0 
     POTTERF   RAYMOND   L   1896   02   10   RELYA      MALE   IL   ALAMEDA   1967   12   26   516106854   71   0 
     POTTERF   MAE   B   1894   11   25         FEMALE   IL   LOS ANGELES   1974   07   13   550053408   79   0 
     POTTORF   ANNETTA      1893   02   05         FEMALE   CN   LOS ANGELES   1973   02   15   549827705   80   0 
     POTTORF   BERNICE   R   1891   12   18   BAUGH   ASH   FEMALE   NB   LOS ANGELES   1988   06   05   571465006   96   0 
     POTTORF   EDITH   AMELIA   1893   09   25   PANABACKER   ULCH   FEMALE   KS   SACRAMENTO   1990   01   31   568161735   96   0 
     POTTORFF   HARRY   MORTON   1881   10   21   HALL   POTTORFF   MALE   CO   LOS ANGELES   1948   04   08      66   0 
     POTTORFF   PERRY   OSCAR   1895   03   27   JONES   POTTORFF   MALE   KS   LOS ANGELES   1949   01   15   511071475   53   0 
     POTTORFF   JOHN   EARL   1889   09   06   WEISS   POTTORFF   MALE   MO   LOS ANGELES   1950   10   31   441075817   61   0 
     POTTORFF   ROSS   WHALEY   1878   07   01   HALL   POTTORFF   MALE   OH   LOS ANGELES   1950   07   06      72   0 
     POTTORFF   WALTER   STINSON   1887   01   24   PROTSMAN   POTTORFF   MALE   KY   LOS ANGELES   1950   02   07   560267892   63   0 
     POTTORFF   AMELIA      1859   10   14      PROTSMAN   FEMALE   KY   MARIN   1955   09   15      96   0 
     POTTORFF   DELORA   HV   1887   03   07   SHROYER   VAUGHN   FEMALE   KS   LOS ANGELES   1957   11   13   561095985   70   0 
     POTTORFF   JOHN   H   1862   02   05      POTTORFF   MALE   IA   SACRAMENTO   1957   03   28      95   0 
     POTTORFF   CECIL   H   1895   06   08   GOSS      MALE   IN   ALAMEDA   1961   12   22   -   66   0 
     POTTORFF   JOHN   H   1886   01   20   BROOKSHI      MALE   IO   LOS ANGELES   1961   10   28   561146932   75   0 
     POTTORFF   WOODSON   J   1898   06   09   PURVIS      MALE   KA   LOS ANGELES   1961   05   28   442037574   62   0 
     POTTORFF   IVA   G   1885   03   26   FORD      FEMALE   CA   LOS ANGELES   1963   06   25   576461450   78   0 
     POTTORFF   HELEN      1897   08   20   GOULD      FEMALE   KA   LOS ANGELES   1965   07   12   -   67   0 
     POTTORFF   THOMAS   L   1893   10   05         MALE   KS   LOS ANGELES   1971   06   06   487032948   77   0 
     POTTORFF   MARY   I   1883   05   12         FEMALE   MO   KERN   1973   03   10   526227539   89   0 
     POTTORFF   THERESA   MAY   1890   04   13   HARRIS   BARTON   FEMALE   IA   LOS ANGELES   1983   05   06   550092819   93   0 
     POTTORFF   ALICIA   SUSAN   1899   08   23   BATTERSBY   TATTERSALL   FEMALE   RE   SAN DIEGO   1985   05   19   552784957   85   0 
     POTTORFF   MILDRED   A   1896   05   16      SHEWMAKER   FEMALE   MO   SAN BERNARDINO   1985   01   29   499548500   88   0 
     POTTORFF   MARIE      1898   10   14   LINES   GALLIMORE   FEMALE   IN   LOS ANGELES   1986   03   05   573401147   87   0 

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    Recommend  Message 29 of 32 in Discussion 
    From: MelodySent: 5/27/2003 2:41 PM
    can you get on here, Chris?

    http://www.geneasearch.com/states/indiana.htm

    http://www.familyhistory.com/db.asp?dbid=2087

    http://www.distantcousin.com/States/IN.html

    I picked these up with a GOOGLE search [early indiana marriages]. You might
    try doing a search county search....I picked up
    http://home.att.net/~Local_History/Fountain-Co-IN.htm by replacing 'early'
    with 'fountain.'

    Index of Indiana Marriages Through 1850

    with that, I got this, for example...covering all counties



    Crowder
    Alfred
    Coats
    Susan
    Harrison
    2-19-1828


    Crowder
    America
    Howard
    Eli H
    Knox
    4-3-1839


    Crowder
    America
    Whitson
    John F
    Knox
    7-5-1843


    Crowder
    Anderson
    Osborn
    Rebecca
    Fountain
    7-10-1834


    Crowder
    Benjamin
    Fled
    Susannah
    Johnson
    3-4-1946


    Crowder
    Biddy
    Allen
    James
    Fountain
    4-6-1844


    Crowder
    Eliza
    Pierson
    Thomas
    Floyd
    7-14-1836


    Crowder
    Elizabeth
    Ensley
    James C
    Fountain
    5-5-1834


    Crowder
    Elizabeth
    Endsley
    Andrew
    Fountain
    2-28-1839


    Crowder
    Elizabeth
    OSullivan
    Michael G
    Fountain
    2-24-1844


    Crowder
    Elizabeth
    Barnett
    John W
    Harrison
    9-25-1836


    Crowder
    Elizabeth Jane
    Banta
    William M
    Switzerland
    3-25-1840


    Crowder
    Frances
    Kinder
    William
    Warrick
    4-15-1847
    lic

    Crowder
    George
    Catlen
    Polly Ann
    Harrison
    10-15-1836


    Crowder
    Hanala
    Gennings
    John
    Switzerland
    1-18-1848


    Crowder
    Isaac
    Endsley
    Elizabeth (Mrs)
    Fountain
    3-27-1845


    Crowder
    James
    Tylor
    Lavisa
    Floyd
    3-27-1933


    Crowder
    James
    Innis
    Addraugh B
    Ripley
    8-29-1832


    Crowder
    Joel
    Allen
    Mary
    Harrison
    1-4-1838


    Crowder
    John
    Brown
    Mary Ann
    Marion
    5-27-1836


    Crowder
    John
    Danford
    Jean
    Spencer
    4-24-1827


    Crowder
    Margaret
    Ingle
    Samuel
    Harrison
    8-21-1834


    Crowder
    Martha
    Ward
    Sylvester
    Gibson
    8-20-1841


    Crowder
    mary
    Allen
    John P
    Floyd
    10-21-1824

    Groom:
    First Name, Bride or Groom:
    Last Name, Spouse:
    First Name, Spouse:
    County:
    Date:
    Remarks:

    Crowder
    Mary
    Songer
    Jacob
    Fountain
    8-22-1847


    Crowder
    Mary
    Coats
    David
    Harrison
    2-5-1829


    Crowder
    Nancy
    Sillings
    David
    Floyd
    10-23-1824


    Crowder
    Nancy
    Davis
    Samuel D
    Switzerland
    8-13-1825


    Crowder
    Nancy Jane
    Pierce
    Jesse
    Warrick
    9-2-1849


    Crowder
    Nathaniel
    McLary
    Marge
    Spencer
    12-28-1834


    Crowder
    Rebecca
    Orr
    Joseph
    Gibson
    4-3-1849


    Crowder
    Sarah A
    Banta
    Washington S
    Switzerland
    12-29-1831


    Crowder
    Thomas
    Low
    Patsy
    Spencer
    6-23-1821


    Crowder
    Thomas
    Wells
    Susannah
    Spencer
    8-21-1828


    Crowder
    Wiley
    Williams
    Anna
    Floyd
    2-7-1922


    Crowder
    Wiley
    Leet
    Mary
    Fountain
    11-9-1839


    Crowder
    William
    Mallary
    Lavisa
    Decatur
    6-22-1839
    Lavisa Mallary (negro)

    Crowder
    William
    Overby
    Elizabeth F
    Floyd
    4-19-1926


    Crowder
    William L
    Yates
    Merriam
    Gibson
    9-25-1848


    Crowder
    William M
    Cox
    Hannah C
    Putnam
    1-9-1838

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    From: MSN NicknameJanie·Sent: 5/28/2003 3:10 AM
    Chris - Let me know if these could be yours and I'll try to find something on them at our local library. 
    Crowder
    Nancy Jane
    Pierce
    Jesse
    Warrick
    9-2-1849



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    From: ChristopherSent: 5/28/2003 3:26 AM
    Mom,

    Yes, I knew there was an address for the Marriage License and yes, I did a
    google search looking for Indiana Marriages. I couldnt find it and that is
    why I asked Carolyn for the address.

    By the way, most of those Crowders are Lisa's line. Most of them were
    brothers and sisters. There were one couple that were cousins to each other,
    paternal Grandfathers were brothers.

    Chris

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    From: ChristopherSent: 5/28/2003 3:32 AM
    Janie,

    Let me dig in my files. Thanks

    Chris

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