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| | From: Masugu (Original Message) | Sent: 5/22/2003 9:24 PM |
Hi Folks;
Its that time again. Although we didn't find the answers to Jim's big questions, hopefully we've at least given him some new leads.
This week we'll be addressing Pastlink's brickwall: "POTTORFF/BOTTORFF--Sangamon Co. Poor Farm"-originally posted on 26 Nov 2002. Pastlink recently sent an update, which follows: "The only info that I am presently seeking is: 1. Cemetery for the Sangamon County Poor Farm or Almshouse Burial place. Would love to have a picture of the Almshouse in Sangamon Co. IL during the 1890's. Perhaps a postcard pic of the Jackson Co. State Hospital where they were transferred to during illness. 2. Locate the death/burial of Sarah (Gormon) (Forbes) (Pottorff) Reed wife to last known marriage of Arthur C. Reed who died in 1937 Macoupin Co. Otter Twp. She was the wife of my GGgrandfather Taylor Scott Pottorff until his death. I appreciate all your help and what a great site this is. Thank you in advance"
This looks like another death and burial brickwall folks. Hopefully we can do better than we did with Jim.
***** Next week will be Joan with "ROBERTS - Info before the Chicago Fire " posted on 2 Dec 2002. Joan can you provide any more details?
Joan's posting reads: " I am trying to find information on Robert T Roberts, b. Wales 1840. He was in Chicago in 1870 according to census records. I am trying to find out when he came to the USA and with who. Is there anywhere to look other than Cook County? "
Okay, who's our immigration expert?
***** After we've done Joan's brickwall we'll turn our efforts to redressing past injustices, thanks to Carolyn's heroic efforts. The first of the overlooked brickwalls we will tackle is that of MaryAnn1950 who first posted her brickwall, "Illinois SIMPSON's Fred, Earl, George, Nathaniel, Betsey, Nora, Robert ", on 31 July 2002.
Mary Ann's original message reads: "I have come as far as I can in getting info on these people. Does anyone have any info? Please let me know if you do."
Mary Ann, I know you've had a few responses. This is your opportunity to update your brickwall. We'd be particularly interested in getting the WHEN and WHERE of these Simpsons to give us a place to start.
And so ends another chapter in the continuing saga of IKK Brainstorming
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2001 September 20 ObituariesEVALENA ADAMS Evalena Pottorff Adams was born October 4, 1903, near Hatfield, Missouri. She was the eighth child of George and Hettie (Austin) Pottorff. ... www.mtayrnews.com/archives/20010920ob.htm - 10k - Cached - Similar pages John W. Pottorff Residence: Shelby County Regiment: 41st Illinois Infantry, Company H Rank: Private
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Jessie Grace Hager Jessie Grace Hager, 75, of Poca died April 30, 2003, in Hubbard Hospice House. She was retired from Thomas Memorial Hospital with 25 years of service. She was a Christian. She was preceded in death by her husband, William A. Hager, son, William R. Hager, brother, Darrell Kapp, and sisters, Irene Birchfield and Delores Massey. Surviving: sisters, Betty Zitzelsberger and Hazel “Micky�?Pottorff; nieces, Vicky Tolan and Sharon Wise; nephews, Gordon and John Pottorff, Frank and Kenny Kapp, David Butch Birchfield, Tom Massey and Rick Zitzelsberger; grandson, Scott Hager; granddaughter, Patricia Hager; great-granddaughter, Madison Hager; daughter-in-law, Carolyn Hager. A memorial service was held Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at Rock Branch Independent Church with Pastor Delber Hawley officiating. The body was donated to West Virginia University. Gatens Funeral Home, Poca, was in charge of arrangements. Memorial donations may be made to Hubbard Hospice House, 1001 Kennawa Drive, Charleston 25311.
POTTORFF, Virgil R. | 1914 | 2000 | in the "Find An Obituary" window ins the upper portion of this page type in the surname you are seeking and press search. Here are 6 of the 50 that turned up for Pottorff |
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lateral tree perhaps? has pictures of various Pottorff's |
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Diener and Dorweis Ancestors and Relatives <NOBR>Entries: 15814</NOBR> <NOBR>Updated: Sun May 18 18:27:12 2003</NOBR> <NOBR>Contact: Nancy D. Regan </NOBR> Index | Descendancy | Register | Download GEDCOM | Add Post-em ID: I11653 Name: Joseph FORBES Surname: Forbes Given Name: Joseph Sex: M Birth: 1832/1833 in New York, USA Death: BEF 1931 _UID: C560C9CD2AEFD611803D444553540000A86D Event: Mother's Birthplace New York, USA Event: 1880 Census Age 0047 Occupation: Painter 1880 Springfield, Sangamon, Illinois, USA Page 96C Event: Father's Birthplace New York, USA Change Date: 23 Nov 2002 at 20:29:02
Marriage 1 Sarah C. GARMAN b: 1854/1855 in Kentucky, USA Children - John T. FORBES b: 1872/1873 in Illinois, USA
- Belle FORBES b: 1874/1875 in Illinois, USA
- Martha A. FORBES b: 1877/1878 in Illinois, USA
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Masugu: Thank you so very much for the "extra mile" that you have walked to help me in my journey of 'seek and find' those hard to trace relatives. I find this one (1910 Census, don't know how I missed this one) very interesting because my grandfather Herbert Garland Pottorff was supposedly raised by an Aunt Martha ??Davis?? No one in the family seem to know if the last name was Davis or not. This seems to confirm the hearsay! I always (assumed) that it was Sarah's sister who may have raised him after his father was in the county almshouse in 1892 but could not figure why Sarah didn't take him. Wayne: Both of those posts to the query boards were mine--don't think anyone is looking for my relatives (grin) Dawson Descended: Thank you for all your extra work --There is so much here that I did not have that it will take me a while to digest all of it. I have printed this out and will take it step by step to see if any of the other names will help me find some of mine. I will certainly check out the Joseph Forbes a little closer. I wonder if Sarah C Forbes and Sarah F Forbes are one and the same? So much of it matches and yet proving it may be another story. I sent a previous Thank You to the board but it did not show up. Again, I really, really appreciate all the work that went into this brainstorming--I hope to meet both of you at the IKK reunion. |
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Pastlink, You're most welcome on my behave. I would be very interested in knowing down the road if you actually were able to prove all those marriages involved the same woman or if there were indeed 4 Sarah's. The fact that Taylor's trail is in Missouri and then mentioned in the Illinois Marriage index is haunting. I cannot imagine there being two Taylor Pottorff's. Actually Sarah's surname in the Illinois Database is spelled Forebs (not sure if that is actual or error) in 1887. Curious indeed, Carolyn |
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| | From: Masugu | Sent: 5/25/2003 8:35 PM |
Pastlink;
You're quite welcome. I always try put a little more into the Brainstorming sessions. Hopefully it makes them that much more valuable.
It does sound as thought the Davis/Forbes find in 1910 will pay off for you.
Unfortunately, I won't be at the reunion.
Once again, I have yet to recieve at least a 3rd of the messages in this thread--MSN at work again.
Cheers, Wayne |
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Pastlink, I highly recommend searching http://www.rootsweb.com/~mohenry/henryco.html for your Pottorff's plenty of obituaries here that match your relatives. The information regarding burials may also be available in Henry County, Missouri. Carolyn |
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Last_Name | First_Name | Middle_Name | B_yr | B_mo | B_dy | Mothers_Last_Name | Fathers_Last_Name | Sex | Bp | County_of_Death | D_yr | D_mo | D_dy | SS_Number | Age | idno | POTTERF | ETTA | BELLE | 1877 | 07 | 04 | WOLFSTON | LIVINGSTON | FEMALE | WI | LOS ANGELES | 1952 | 04 | 28 | | 74 | 0 | POTTERF | ORLYSTIS | M | 1871 | 08 | 23 | MCNEALY | | MALE | OH | LOS ANGELES | 1964 | 12 | 03 | 556464136 | 93 | 0 | POTTERF | JAMES | L | 1882 | 11 | 03 | MCNEELY | | MALE | KA | LOS ANGELES | 1965 | 06 | 05 | 572443130 | 82 | 0 | POTTERF | CEM | F | 1882 | 12 | 01 | MCNEALY | | MALE | KA | LOS ANGELES | 1966 | 03 | 05 | 509166083 | 83 | 0 | POTTERF | PAULINE | J | 1898 | 08 | 15 | PROCTOR | | FEMALE | IO | LOS ANGELES | 1966 | 10 | 13 | 513168114 | 68 | 0 | POTTERF | RAYMOND | L | 1896 | 02 | 10 | RELYA | | MALE | IL | ALAMEDA | 1967 | 12 | 26 | 516106854 | 71 | 0 | POTTERF | MAE | B | 1894 | 11 | 25 | | | FEMALE | IL | LOS ANGELES | 1974 | 07 | 13 | 550053408 | 79 | 0 | POTTORF | ANNETTA | | 1893 | 02 | 05 | | | FEMALE | CN | LOS ANGELES | 1973 | 02 | 15 | 549827705 | 80 | 0 | POTTORF | BERNICE | R | 1891 | 12 | 18 | BAUGH | ASH | FEMALE | NB | LOS ANGELES | 1988 | 06 | 05 | 571465006 | 96 | 0 | POTTORF | EDITH | AMELIA | 1893 | 09 | 25 | PANABACKER | ULCH | FEMALE | KS | SACRAMENTO | 1990 | 01 | 31 | 568161735 | 96 | 0 | POTTORFF | HARRY | MORTON | 1881 | 10 | 21 | HALL | POTTORFF | MALE | CO | LOS ANGELES | 1948 | 04 | 08 | | 66 | 0 | POTTORFF | PERRY | OSCAR | 1895 | 03 | 27 | JONES | POTTORFF | MALE | KS | LOS ANGELES | 1949 | 01 | 15 | 511071475 | 53 | 0 | POTTORFF | JOHN | EARL | 1889 | 09 | 06 | WEISS | POTTORFF | MALE | MO | LOS ANGELES | 1950 | 10 | 31 | 441075817 | 61 | 0 | POTTORFF | ROSS | WHALEY | 1878 | 07 | 01 | HALL | POTTORFF | MALE | OH | LOS ANGELES | 1950 | 07 | 06 | | 72 | 0 | POTTORFF | WALTER | STINSON | 1887 | 01 | 24 | PROTSMAN | POTTORFF | MALE | KY | LOS ANGELES | 1950 | 02 | 07 | 560267892 | 63 | 0 | POTTORFF | AMELIA | | 1859 | 10 | 14 | | PROTSMAN | FEMALE | KY | MARIN | 1955 | 09 | 15 | | 96 | 0 | POTTORFF | DELORA | HV | 1887 | 03 | 07 | SHROYER | VAUGHN | FEMALE | KS | LOS ANGELES | 1957 | 11 | 13 | 561095985 | 70 | 0 | POTTORFF | JOHN | H | 1862 | 02 | 05 | | POTTORFF | MALE | IA | SACRAMENTO | 1957 | 03 | 28 | | 95 | 0 | POTTORFF | CECIL | H | 1895 | 06 | 08 | GOSS | | MALE | IN | ALAMEDA | 1961 | 12 | 22 | - | 66 | 0 | POTTORFF | JOHN | H | 1886 | 01 | 20 | BROOKSHI | | MALE | IO | LOS ANGELES | 1961 | 10 | 28 | 561146932 | 75 | 0 | POTTORFF | WOODSON | J | 1898 | 06 | 09 | PURVIS | | MALE | KA | LOS ANGELES | 1961 | 05 | 28 | 442037574 | 62 | 0 | POTTORFF | IVA | G | 1885 | 03 | 26 | FORD | | FEMALE | CA | LOS ANGELES | 1963 | 06 | 25 | 576461450 | 78 | 0 | POTTORFF | HELEN | | 1897 | 08 | 20 | GOULD | | FEMALE | KA | LOS ANGELES | 1965 | 07 | 12 | - | 67 | 0 | POTTORFF | THOMAS | L | 1893 | 10 | 05 | | | MALE | KS | LOS ANGELES | 1971 | 06 | 06 | 487032948 | 77 | 0 | POTTORFF | MARY | I | 1883 | 05 | 12 | | | FEMALE | MO | KERN | 1973 | 03 | 10 | 526227539 | 89 | 0 | POTTORFF | THERESA | MAY | 1890 | 04 | 13 | HARRIS | BARTON | FEMALE | IA | LOS ANGELES | 1983 | 05 | 06 | 550092819 | 93 | 0 | POTTORFF | ALICIA | SUSAN | 1899 | 08 | 23 | BATTERSBY | TATTERSALL | FEMALE | RE | SAN DIEGO | 1985 | 05 | 19 | 552784957 | 85 | 0 | POTTORFF | MILDRED | A | 1896 | 05 | 16 | | SHEWMAKER | FEMALE | MO | SAN BERNARDINO | 1985 | 01 | 29 | 499548500 | 88 | 0 | POTTORFF | MARIE | | 1898 | 10 | 14 | LINES | GALLIMORE | FEMALE | IN | LOS ANGELES | 1986 | 03 | 05 | 573401147 | 87 | 0 | |
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| | From: Melody | Sent: 5/27/2003 2:41 PM |
can you get on here, Chris?
http://www.geneasearch.com/states/indiana.htm
http://www.familyhistory.com/db.asp?dbid=2087
http://www.distantcousin.com/States/IN.html
I picked these up with a GOOGLE search [early indiana marriages]. You might try doing a search county search....I picked up http://home.att.net/~Local_History/Fountain-Co-IN.htm by replacing 'early' with 'fountain.'
Index of Indiana Marriages Through 1850
with that, I got this, for example...covering all counties
Crowder Alfred Coats Susan Harrison 2-19-1828
Crowder America Howard Eli H Knox 4-3-1839
Crowder America Whitson John F Knox 7-5-1843
Crowder Anderson Osborn Rebecca Fountain 7-10-1834
Crowder Benjamin Fled Susannah Johnson 3-4-1946
Crowder Biddy Allen James Fountain 4-6-1844
Crowder Eliza Pierson Thomas Floyd 7-14-1836
Crowder Elizabeth Ensley James C Fountain 5-5-1834
Crowder Elizabeth Endsley Andrew Fountain 2-28-1839
Crowder Elizabeth OSullivan Michael G Fountain 2-24-1844
Crowder Elizabeth Barnett John W Harrison 9-25-1836
Crowder Elizabeth Jane Banta William M Switzerland 3-25-1840
Crowder Frances Kinder William Warrick 4-15-1847 lic
Crowder George Catlen Polly Ann Harrison 10-15-1836
Crowder Hanala Gennings John Switzerland 1-18-1848
Crowder Isaac Endsley Elizabeth (Mrs) Fountain 3-27-1845
Crowder James Tylor Lavisa Floyd 3-27-1933
Crowder James Innis Addraugh B Ripley 8-29-1832
Crowder Joel Allen Mary Harrison 1-4-1838
Crowder John Brown Mary Ann Marion 5-27-1836
Crowder John Danford Jean Spencer 4-24-1827
Crowder Margaret Ingle Samuel Harrison 8-21-1834
Crowder Martha Ward Sylvester Gibson 8-20-1841
Crowder mary Allen John P Floyd 10-21-1824
Groom: First Name, Bride or Groom: Last Name, Spouse: First Name, Spouse: County: Date: Remarks:
Crowder Mary Songer Jacob Fountain 8-22-1847
Crowder Mary Coats David Harrison 2-5-1829
Crowder Nancy Sillings David Floyd 10-23-1824
Crowder Nancy Davis Samuel D Switzerland 8-13-1825
Crowder Nancy Jane Pierce Jesse Warrick 9-2-1849
Crowder Nathaniel McLary Marge Spencer 12-28-1834
Crowder Rebecca Orr Joseph Gibson 4-3-1849
Crowder Sarah A Banta Washington S Switzerland 12-29-1831
Crowder Thomas Low Patsy Spencer 6-23-1821
Crowder Thomas Wells Susannah Spencer 8-21-1828
Crowder Wiley Williams Anna Floyd 2-7-1922
Crowder Wiley Leet Mary Fountain 11-9-1839
Crowder William Mallary Lavisa Decatur 6-22-1839 Lavisa Mallary (negro)
Crowder William Overby Elizabeth F Floyd 4-19-1926
Crowder William L Yates Merriam Gibson 9-25-1848
Crowder William M Cox Hannah C Putnam 1-9-1838
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Mom,
Yes, I knew there was an address for the Marriage License and yes, I did a google search looking for Indiana Marriages. I couldnt find it and that is why I asked Carolyn for the address.
By the way, most of those Crowders are Lisa's line. Most of them were brothers and sisters. There were one couple that were cousins to each other, paternal Grandfathers were brothers.
Chris
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Janie,
Let me dig in my files. Thanks
Chris
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