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| | | From: Penelope (Original Message) | Sent: 7/4/2003 3:40 AM |
Wayne, This might be of interest to you.
| | Event(s): |  | Birth: | 5 Oct 1847 | | | Wahlstedt, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | <FORM name=detailform action=individual_detail.asp method=post> <INPUT type=hidden value=38810091 name=recid> <INPUT type=hidden value=Hermann name=first_name> <INPUT type=hidden value=JAAKS name=last_name> <INPUT type=hidden value=1KWD-9PJ name=person_afn> <INPUT type=hidden value=M name=gender> <INPUT type=hidden value=0 name=lds> | | Born: | 8 Mar 1788 | | Place: | Todestelde, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | | Died: | 9 Nov 1857 | | Place: | Wahlstedt, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | | Buried: | Nov 1857 | | Place: | | | Married: | 19 Jun 1833 | | Place: | Segeberg, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | | | Born: | 13 Jul 1800 | | Place: | Wahlstedt, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | | Died: | 16 Jun 1853 | | Place: | Wahlstedt, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | | Buried: | Jun 1853 | | Place: | | | Married: | 19 Jun 1833 | | Place: | Segeberg, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | | | Born: | 29 Jan 1845 | | Place: | Wahlstedt, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | | | Born: | 5 Oct 1847 | | Place: | Wahlstedt, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | | | Born: | 13 May 1842 | | Place: | Wahlstedt, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | | | Born: | 24 May 1840 | | Place: | Wahlstedt, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | | | Born: | 19 Jul 1838 | | Place: | Wahlstedt, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | | | Born: | 25 Dec 1834 | | Place: | Wahlstedt, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | </FORM> Could be a cousin ? Penny |
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 7/4/2003 7:00 PM |
Hi Katherine;
I'll see what I can find out and answer you on a new thread so we don't
confuse people. Cheers, Wayne
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 7/4/2003 10:27 PM |
Hey Penny;
I tried using various map facilities to find Dunning IL and kept getting a place in Rock Island near the IA border. A little research turns up the fact that it was the site of the infamous Cook County State Mental Hospital (now the Chicago State Hospital) on Irving Park Rd.
Dunning as a placename in Cook County apparently disappeared when Jefferson Twp. was annexed by Chicago. Now the question is did they just live in Dunning or was Magdalena a patient in the mental facilities or the tuberculosis sanitorium--this opens up all kinds of new possibilities.
Cheers, Wayne |
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| | | From: popcoe | Sent: 7/5/2003 12:03 AM |
Hi Wayne, I thought you might like to look at this site on Dunning http://www.abandonedasylum.com/dunning1.html My great grandfather was there in the early 1940's and died while living there. At that time they also used the facilities to house old people. My grandfather was senile and living with his daughter. When she died he went there to live. It was located at the corner of Irving and Narraganset and I will never forget how frightening it looked. My mother grew up in this neighborhood and I can remember in the 50's going by it and hearing the awful cries coming from the building. Sometimes in the summer we would see inmates walking the grounds and being afraid they would get out. I was young then and really did not know why they were there. I do not remeber that neighborhood being refered to as Dunning Township but now I wonder if it was or if your relative was living there? More questions to be answered. I will see if I can find out if this area was referred to as Dunning Township. Did your relatives live in that area? It is near Norwood Park and Jefferson Park neighborhoods. Let me know if I can help. Pam |
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Wayne, Did you notice that the Herman Jaaks had two sister's named Looks like a family name and you have a Annie??????? Just a thought Penny | | Born: | 29 Jan 1845 | | Place: | Wahlstedt, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | | | | Born: | 19 Jul 1838 | | Place: | Wahlstedt, Schleswig-Holste, Prussia | |
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 7/5/2003 3:07 AM |
Hi Pam;
Sorry to have brought back unpleasant memories.
According to www.greaterchicago.com/browse.cfm?Region=&Sub=94
" (The) Dunning (neighborhood) -sandwiched between Mount Olive Cemetery and Ridgemoor Country Club in Harwood Heights-has boomed in the '90s. The changes began in the early 1990s when a $100 million institutional, commercial and residential construction project began in the neighborhood, bounded by Addison, Austin, Montrose, Forest Preserve Drive and Harlem. Wright College, a branch of the City Colleges of Chicago, is on the southwest corner of Montrose and Narragansett. The 20-acre campus is punctuated by an eye-catching, pyramid-shaped learning center designed by architect Bertrand Goldberg. " My Aunt Betty and her family don't live far from there even now--Norridge.
As far as I can tell its in Jefferson Twp.--that's where the Jaaks had their farm in 1880 and the part of Chicago they lived in later (the 27th Ward in many census years) was the old Jefferson Twp. (minus a small part in the south-east corner which was gerry-mandered into West Township). At the time of his death in 1916, Hermann was living in the 4900 W. block of Warwick about 5 blocks south of Irving Park Rd and a block and a half west of Cicero Ave.. My grandmother's step-dad, Mathew Hermann, owned a bar on Cicero. Everything else in the family was centered around North Ave . or Milwaukee Ave.
According to the site you mentioned, Dunning was originally a farm that was bought up by the county, "Dunning Hospital ....was opened in 1851 as a poor farm or almshouse. Dunning farm consisted of 160 acres and was sold to the county by a Peter Ludby, a farmer who managed to own land via squatter's rights back in 1839. In 1858, under the direction of a physician, Dr. D. B. Fonda, an insane asylum building was completed. This building was made of brick, three stories high, and it had a basement. The cost came to $25,000."
Cheers, Wayne |
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| Name: | | Hans Ellerbrock | | Age: | | >AgeWith12ths('73',true);</SCRIPT> 73 years | | Estimated birth year: | | >BirthYear(1930, '73');</SCRIPT> 1856 | | Birthplace: | | Germany | | Relation: | | Head | | Race: | | White | | Home in 1930: | | Maine, Cook, Illinois | | Occupation: | | View image | | Education: | | View image | | Military service: | | View image | | Rent/home value: | | View image | | Age of first marriage: | | View image | | Parents' birthplace: | | View image | | Owned a radio?: | | View image | Found this in the 1930 cencus wife named Dora? |
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 7/5/2003 3:13 AM |
Thanks Penny;
Its a good thought. I've long suspected that this family was related to my Jaaks but haven't ever figured out how. My Hermann Jaaks was b. in Aug 1856 to a Hans Jaaks and Dorothea Goettcher. The Anna Maria has got to be the case in re the Annie/Maria in my Hermann's family.
It gets sooooo confusing! (LOL) Cheers Wayne |
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 7/5/2003 3:21 AM |
Hi again Penny;
You'll notice the John Kath (Kath was another name that married into the Jaaks family) on the same page--his wife was named Dora too, as was Magdalena's sister who was married to Christian Gahde. Also note the Herman Ellerbrock on that same page. I just recently confirmed the Kath relationship through death certificates.
Finally, Maine Twp. is the home of a bunch of Jaaks/Jaacks for whom I have death certificates- -this kinda ties the knot for their relationship to my Jaaks too.
Cheers, Wayne
P.S. There was a Jaaks who was a male nurse at a mental institution--apparently it was Dunning. |
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| | | From: popcoe | Sent: 7/5/2003 4:36 AM |
Hi Wayne, My husband grew up in Norridge. In fact he lived right accross from the park on Natoma. He went to Taft High School. I work just down the street from there on Northwest Highway. It's funny how these chats can bring back so many memories. Forgive my asking again but I will be going to the library tomorrow and I will look through the newspapers about the divorce, what news paper, the Chicago Tribune? and what section do you think it will be in? Have a great weekend! Pam |
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 7/5/2003 3:00 PM |
Hi Pam;
That's really neat--small world huh? Ask hubby if he knows anybody named Wachholder. My cousins, Bruce and Brian, grew up in Norridge--when I was a kid I used to stay at their place for a week or so every summer. Bruce is in his 50's, Brian in his 40's.
Aunt Betty and my cousin Joannie recall it being in the Herald American but I suspect that it may have gotten coverage in several papers. I think the only one that AHML has digitized is the Tribune though.
Cheers, Wayne
P.S. given your family's traditional haunts we could turn out be kin--ya never know. |
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Wayne, My mother in law is buried in Mount Olive Cemetery. Is some of your family buried there possibly?? We always decorate her grave when we get in that neck of the woods. |
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 7/6/2003 3:09 AM |
Hi Betty;
They're buried all over the place but most that I know of are at Irving Park. Cheers, Wayne |
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Wayne, Just a thought if Dunning was a hospital back in those days when a unmarried lady got in trouble or the family way and not married they some times put them away till after the child was born saying that they had a breakdown and with a Jaaks being a nurse there what better way to hide?????????? Then the elder sister who could of been pg or just a little overweight goes away for a week or so and brings back a child raises this child and no one but the ffamily knows that it is her sisters child and maybe not even some of them. Familys did some strange things back then also the father could of been a man she worked for or a rape so they realy would of wanted to keep it quiet. Did the sister have anyother children? just some food for thought Penny |
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 7/6/2003 5:19 AM |
Hi Penny;
Magdalena's unmarried sister Kate (who was the oldest of the bunch) moved around between the Jaaks and Gahde families--she was never listed as having kids. Cheers, Wayne |
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