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| | | From: Masugu (Original Message) | Sent: 3/12/2003 5:59 PM |
Hi Folks;
Since Lynne seemed more than satisfied with what we gave her, we'll move on to the next brickwall. This one is from Rosey and was posted last Halloween. Rosey, since you said that you were gonna be making some genealogy trips could you update us on this a little? Did you make any dents in your brickwalls since you posted (see below)?
We're also gonna start something new this time and include the next two brickwalls in line. This will allow the posters of these brickwalls more time to see and respond. The next two brickwalls after Rosey are: 1) Elmira Brown and Joseph Thomas posted by Mac1; and 2) Wigginton, Simmons, Adams, Wilson, Goddard posted by Gail. Cheers, Wayne
This is what Rosey posted:
From Rose Fawn 10/31/2002
Minnard or Minniard Snelson
Minniard, Mynard, Minnard Snelson was born abt. 1775 in Vriginia. Married Adelphia 'Delphy' ? Served in the Kentucky militia. Son Charles H. Snelson B: Abt. 1805 (not sure id KY, OH or IL -nothing found yet) married second wife, Dorothy Cantrall daughter of William Cantrell and Deborah Mitts. She was born in KY, they were married August 27, 1827 in Sangamon County Ill.
They moved on to Iowa where they ran into the biggest wall I have come across in 4 years of researching my mother's and (this) my father's family, The Smith's!
My grand father was Charles William Smith born July 9, 1878 Cedar Rapids, IO; his father was Leslie Smith that was married to Laura Sewell, she was born in Canada and him in Ohio; this is all the information that I have EVER been able to find on my Great Grandparents. We know by seeing dates and people, that they all moved the same, KY, OH, IL and most winding up in Iowa. Charles was married to Rosa Mae Snelson (One of the the links to IL, her father was Charles William (called William) Snelson and Mary Eveline (Linee) Tripp. Now I have found Linee, but she ran off...put the kids on a train back to Chicago where he was working in the packing houses. Charles William Smith and Rosa Mae Snelson were married in Correctionsville, Iowa, 1905.
I have found a good deal of the Snelson's in Sangamon County and find that they all filtered into Iowa. We can find NOTHING of Linee that took off, she disappeared. I have found Tripp's that have found up to the time she left William, but nothing no-where after that. Leslie Smith and Laura Sewell, I have been looking for over a year for.......sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
On census records, Charles William Smith has stated that his father is from Ohio and his mother is from Canada that is all the information on them....
Now for Charles William Snelson and Linee Tripp...Charles' family I have back to Minniard, but at a stand still back with him, no biggie there I am sure that in time and with the trip to Salt Lake after the first of the year I can find information...it is Linne Tripp and The Smith's that get me doing the Gen-Bang on the wall!!!
Anyway...If there is anyone that could help out with this I would greatly appreciate it. Just after Thanksgiving am going to the Madison,WI Library and spending 2 days up there of work. Then after the first of the year going to Salt Lake City to THE library there.
If any more information is needed, let me know, I will give it to you if I surely have it..... Rosey
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 3/13/2003 6:45 PM |
Hi Rosey;
I did a lot of research on this. The first set of data below represents all the Snelson's indexed by Genealogy.com for the 1870 Census in IA plus 1 for Charley Snelson in Sangamon Co. IL.
1870 Census, IA, Des Moines Co., Union Twp., Middletown P.O., Sheet 9, Page 538a, Roll 388, Book 1, 4 Aug 1870
C.H. and Susan Snelson living on their form with a whole bunch of other, unrelated, people.
C. H. Snelson, 65, M, W, Farmer, $100, $1140, KY
Susan Snelson, 52, F, W, Keeping house, -, -, Switzerland
1870 Census, IA, Des Moines Co., Washington Twp., Dodgeville P.O., Sheet 9, Page 556a, Roll 388, Book 1, 23 June 1870
A. P. Snelson, 37, M, W, Farmer, $6900, $2000, IL
Cathrine Snelson, 33, F, W, Keeping house, -, -, OH
Joseph Snelson, 14, M, W, Farm hand, -, -, IA
Wesley Snelson, 11, M, W, Farm hand, -, -, IA
Oscar Snelson, 8, M, W, -, -, -, IA
Alice Snelson, 6, F, W, -, -, -, IA
Elizabeth Snelson, 2, F, W, -, -, -, IA
1870 Census, IA, Polk County, Camp Twp., Altoona P.O., Sheet 21, Page 119a, Roll 415, Book 1, 16 July 1870
Andrew Snelson, 28, W, M, Farmer, $600, $500, IA
Sarah Snelson, 29, F, W, Keeping house, -, -, OH
Elizabeth Snelson, 7, F, W, -, -, -, IA
William Snelson, 3, M, W, -, -, -, IA
Emily Snelson, 9 mos, F, W, -, -, -, IA
1870 Census, IA, Mahaska Co., White Oak Twp.,Oskaloosa P.O., Sheet 11, Page 468a, Roll 408, Book 1, July 1870
J. H. Snelson, 36, M, W, Farmer, $410, $700, IL
M .E. Snelson, 30, F, W, Keeping house, -, -, IN
J. W. Snelson, 5?, M, W, At home, -, -, IA
J. H. Snelson, 3, M, W, At home, -, -, IA
H. S. Snelson, 2, M, W., At home, -, -, IA
A. E. Snelson, 4 mos, M, W, At home, -, -, IA
J. W. Snelson, 65, M, W, Farmer, -, -, VA
J. ?. Richard, 79, M, W, Farmer, -, -, VA
1870 Census, IA, Warren Co., Richland Twp., Hartford P.O., Sheet 21, Page 423a, Roll 423, Book 1, 15 July 1870
Levi Snelson, 51, W, M, Farmer, $100, $250, IL
Nancy Snelson, 38, F, W, Keeps house, -, -, IL
James Snelson, 12, M, W, -, -, -, IL
William Snelson, 10, M, W, -, -, -, IL
Margaret Snelson, 8, F, W, -, -, -, IL
Charles Snelson, 6, M, W, -, -, -, IL
Albert Snelson, 4, M, W, -, -, -, IL
Alfred Snelson, 4, M, W, -, -, -, IL
1870 Census, IA, Des Moines Co., Flint River Twp., Middletown P.O., Sheet 32, Page 487b, Roll 388, Book 1, 21 July 1870
Miniard Snelson is live-in farm labor at the farm of Robert and Rada Grimes.
Miniard Snelson, 43, M, W, Farm labor, -, -, IL
1870 Census, IL, Sangamon Co., Fancy Creek Twp, Springfield P.O., Sheet 16, Page 155b, Roll 281, Book 1, 15 July 1870
Charles Snelson is live-in farm labor at the farm of Samuel and Miranda Millinger
Charlie Snelson, 18, MW, Farm labor, -, -, IL
This second set represents data on two Leslie Smiths in 1900 IA; followed by data on William and Charles Snelson's in 1900 IA; followed by the index entries for all other Snelsons in 1900 IA.
1900 Census, IA, Webster Co., Newark Twp., Vincent Town, ED 179, Sheet 8B, Page 143a, Roll 465, Book 2, 13 June 1900
Leslie Smith, Head, W, M, Apr 1870, 30, M, 8, -, -, IA, NY, NY, Elevator day laborer,
Laura Smith, Wife, W, F, Aug 1874, 25, M, 8, 5, 3, IA, IL, OH, -
Henry Smith, Son, W, M, Aug 1892, 7, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, At school
Harriet? Smith, Daughter, W, F, May 1894, 6, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, At school
India Smith, Daughter, W, F, Feb 1896, 4, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, -
1900 Census, IA, Franklin Co., Oakland Twp., ED 138, Sheet 1B, Page 94b, Roll 432, Book 2, 4 June 1900
Leslie Smith, Head, W, M, June 1868, 32, M, 8, -, -, IA NH, NH, Farmer, Rents farm
Clara Smith, Wife, W, F, July 1868 32, M, 8, 0, 0, NY, NY, NY, -
Clarence J. Hurd, Brother-in-law, W, M, Nov 1881, 18, S, -, -, -, IA, NY, NY, Farm labor
1900 Census, IA, Marion Co., Liberty Twp., Bussey Town, ED 50, Sheet 5A Page 157a, Roll 447, Book 1, 3 June 1900
Wm. Snelson, Head, W, M, Feb 1861, 39, M, 18, -, -, IA, unknown, unknown, Day laborer, Rents house
Emma Snelson, Wife, W, F, Jan 1865, 35, M, 18, 8, 8, IA, VA, OH, -
Charles Snelson, Son, W, M, Dec 1882, 17, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, farm laborer
Geo Snelson, Son, W, M, Dec 1884, 16, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, day laborer
Ernest Snelson, Son, W, M, Jan 1887, 1`3, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, at school
B. Harrison Snelson, Son, W, M, Oct 1888, 11, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, at school
Bessie Snelson, Daughter, W, F, Sep 1890, 9, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, at school
John Q. Snelson, Son, W, M, Oct 1892, 7, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, at school
Frank Snelson, Son, W, M, Oct 1894, 5, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, -
Glenn Snelson, Son, W, M, Feb 1898, 1, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, -
1900 Census, IA, Cass Co., Massena Twp., Massena Town,ED 45, Sheet 3A, Page 159a, Roll 422, Book 1, 4 June 1900
William Snelson, Head, W, M, May 1844, 56, M, 33, IN, Unknown, Unknown, Physician, Owns house
Matilda Snelson, Wife, W, F, July 1844, 55, M, 33, 6, 4, IN, NC, NC, -
Leulia? R. Snelson, Daughter, W, F, Aug 1868, 31, S, -, -, -, IN, IN, IN, -
Dollie M. Snelson, Daughter, W, F, Oct 1877, 22, S, -, -, -, IA, IN, IN, Bookkeeper at bank
1900 Census, Warren Co., Richland Twp., ED 141, Sheet 8B, Page 130b, Roll 463, Book 2, 15 June 1900
Charles R. Snelson, Head, W, M, Apr 1864, 36, M, 14, -, -, IA, KY, KY, Farmer, Owns farm
Ruith Snelson, Wife, W, F, May 1868, 32, M, 14, 4, 4, IA, IN, IL, -
Ray Snelson, Son, W, M, Mar 1887, 13, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, IA, At school
Ethel Snelson, Daughter, W, F, May 1889, 12, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, At school
Joe Snelson, Son, W, M, Aug 1889, 10, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, At school
Katie Sneslon, Daughter, W, F, May 1892, 8, S, IA, IA, IA, At school
Nancy Snelson, Mother, W, F, Jan 1835, 65, Wd., -, 1, 1, KY, KY, KY, -
1900 Census, IA, Marion Co., Swan Twp, ED 56, Sheet 6B, Page 235b, Roll 447, Book 1, 8 Jun 1900
Charley Snelson, Servant, W, M, Dec 1882, 17, S, -, -, -, IA, IA, IA, Farm laborer with the Thos. Gibron family.
Other Snelsons in 1900 IA:
Snelson, A. P.
Lived in: Highland Township, Wapello County, Iowa
Series: T623 Microfilm: 463 Book: 1 Page: 291
Snelson, Albert
Lived in: Swan Township, Marion County, Iowa
Series: T623 Microfilm: 447 Book: 1 Page: 231
Snelson, Alfred W.
Lived in: Allen Township, Polk County, Iowa
Series: T623 Microfilm: 453 Book: 2 Page: 2
Snelson, H. Woodford
Lived in: 4 Ward Lake, Calhoun County, Iowa
Series: T623 Microfilm: 421 Book: 1 Page: 196
Snelson, J. E.
Lived in: Liberty Township, Marion County, Iowa
Series: T623 Microfilm: 447 Book: 1 Page: 153
Snelson, Joseph L.
Lived in: Pleasant Grove Township, Des Moines County, Iowa
Series: T623 Microfilm: 429 Book: 1 Page: 332
Snelson, Levi M.
Lived in: Union Township, Warren County, Iowa
Series: T623 Microfilm: 463 Book: 2 Page: 157
Snelson, Sarrah A.
Lived in: 4 Ward Lake, Calhoun County, Iowa
Series: T623 Microfilm: 421 Book: 1 Page: 197
Snelson, Thomas
Lived in: Oregon Township, Washington County, Iowa
Series: T623 Microfilm: 464 Book: 1 Page: 157
Snelson, Webley
Lived in: Denmark Township, Lee County, Iowa
Series: T623 Microfilm: 442 Book: 1 Page: 268
The third set of data is a SSDI entry for a Linnie Snelson.
SSDI
Name SS# Issue
State Birth Death Death
State Last Known Residence
SNELSON, LINNIE 478-80-4100 IA 17 May 1887 Jun 1976 IA Prairie City, Iowa 50228
The 4th set of data is from a family tree posted by Lynn Sabin whose homepage is at http://www.sabin-clary.com
Minnard Snelson (son of Charles Jr. Snelson and (Unknown)) was born Abt. 1784, and died Bef. 1860. He married Adelphia "Delphie" (Unknown).
Children of Minnard Snelson and Adelphia "Delphie" (Unknown) are:
+ Charles H. Snelson, b. 1806, d. September 15, 1873.
+ John Woodford Snelson, b. 1807, Sangamon County, Illinois, d. February 13, 1874.
+ Levi Snelson, b. 1817, Illinois, d. date unknown.
Minniard Snelson (b. 1828, d. June 05, 1853)
Minniard Snelson (son of Charles H. Snelson and Dorothy Cantrall ) was born 1828, and died June 05, 1853.
The 5th set of data refers to a Miniard Snelson who was a militiaman in the War of 1812 (there was also a Charles and a John Snelson in Revolutionary War Records).
Soldiers of the War of 1812, Roll of Captain Archibald Morrison's Company of Infantry of Kentucky Militia, Detached
(Read: Name, Rank, Date of Muster, To What Time Engaged or Enlisted, Remarks )
Miniard Snelson, Private, March 2 & 5, 1813, September 2, 1813, Absent
This 6th set of data was posted by Leona Smith <[email protected]> who published a book on the Snelson family.
Posted by: Leona W. Smith Date: April 17, 1999 at 15:21:45
"I assembled the Snelson (USA) Lineage Book and will be happy to look up info for you. E-Mail me."
This last set of data was posted by Debby <[email protected]>
"I and my family are seeking information on Mary Evaline "Linee" Tripp Born: 1869 Bordley, Union County, Kentucky. We know that she at sometime moved to Iowa marrying Charles William Snelson in April 15, 1888 Mahaska County Iowa. They had 3 children Rosa, Bertha, and Lesie William. The story goes that Charles being a butcher and out of work went to Chicago, IL possibly finding work in a meat packing plant. He sent for her and the children. Linee put the children on the train to him and did not go with them. There has been no further mention of her. There is a rumor, but has not been able to be proven that she went to Colorado. William returned to Iowa and left the children to be raised by his mother and father, Andrew Jackson Snelson and Sarah Ann Hibbs. He left just the girls and took Leslie William Snelson with him. Family stories have been told by Rosa Smith that her mother would visit but was more friendly with Bertha. William moved to Washington State and died in Seatle April 24,1932.That is about all the information that we have on her. If anyone has any information about Mary Evaline "Linee" Tripp it would be greatly appreciated if you would contact me."
This ouhgt to give you at least some new information. Cheers, Wayne
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 3/13/2003 7:11 PM |
Rosey;
One more piece of the puzzle. This is the entry for Linee Tripp in the
1870 Census for Y--note that her mother was named Mary E. also.
Cheers, Wayne
1870 Census, KY, Union Co, Hills Precinct, Boardley P.O., Sheet 27, Page
302a, Roll 501, Book 1, 18 June 1870
David Tripp, 24, M, W, Farm hand, -, -, IN
Mary E. 19, Tripp, F, W, Keeping house, -, -, IA
Allice G. Tripp, 1, F, W, -, -, -, KY
Mary E. Tripp, 4 mos, F, W, -, -, -, KY (b. in Jan 1870)
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 3/15/2003 3:18 PM |
Hi Folks;
Since MSN has been so flukey of late we'll give Rosey one more day to
respond. After that we'll move on to Mac1's brickwall--Mac1, are you
listening? Cheers, Wayne
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| | | From: Mac1 | Sent: 3/16/2003 4:33 AM |
Wayne,
Yes, I am listening, watching, and hoping. I have been working on
these two for a long time.
Beverly E. McClure (Mac1)
[email protected]
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 3/16/2003 3:15 PM |
Hi Folks;
Well since we haven't heard from Rosey (and since we've already found a lot of data on her family) we'll move on to Mac1 (Beverly). Although Beverly's response didn't appear in my e-mail, there was a response listed in her e-mail record (MSN stikees again) and she say's she still really needs help with her two brick walls:
1) Elmira Thomas (nee Brown), b. 22 Jun 1834 IL; m.1)Joseph Thomas ca 1855 poss. in Woodbine Twp., Jo Davies Co. IL, m.2)William Prothero ca. 1865 or later in California., d. ?, FPOB: TN, MPOB: KY;
2) Joseph Thomas, b. ca. 1836 CONN, d. ca. 1865 on way to California.
Children:
Mary Louisa Thomas, b. 1856 Woodbine Twp.
Melvina Thomas, b. 1860;
Josephine Evelyn Thomas, b. 1862
Since Bev has already responded (see below) we'll give this one a week or until Bev yells Uncle--whichever comes first. So, come on gang lets see what we can do for Bev!
From: Mac1 Sent: 3/3/2003 1:15 PM
I am searching for information on Elmira BROWN, particularly her ancestors. She was born in Illinois 22 June, 1834, exact location unknown. She next shows up in Woodbine Twp, Jo Daviess Co, married to Joseph THOMAS. He was born in Connecticut about 1836, exact location unknown. They were probably married about 1855. Their first child, Mary Louisa THOMAS, was born in Woodbine Twp in 1856. Two more girls were born to them there. Melvina THOMAS, 1860, and Josephine Eveline THOMAS, 1862. In 1865 the family left for California, Joseph dying on the trail, and Elmira remarying in California to William Prothero. The 1880 census shows Elmira's father was born in Tennessee and her mother was born in Kentucky.
Our next two winners will be Gail and MOM. Any updates ladies?
Cheers and Good Hunting, Wayne
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 3/17/2003 1:00 AM |
Okay Bev;
Looks like we hit paydirt. Enjoy, Wayne
I think I found Elmira in the 1850 Census for Hendersonville, IL--looks
like they forgot to put a 1 in front of the 7. I assume that Elizabeth
Hase is her mother, James Brown is her brother, Isaac Hase--maternal
grandfather perhaps and Frances Hase--maternal g-grandmother perhaps?
1850 Census, IL, Knox Co., Hendersonville Twp., Page 400a, Roll 113,
Book 1, 31 Oct 1850
Isaac Hase, 55, M, Farmer, VA
Frances Hase, 76, F, -, VA
Elizabeth Hase, 30 F, -, KY
Elmira Brown, 7, F, - , IL
James Brown, 5, M, -, IL
There were only two Joseph Thomas's indexed for CT in 1850. Since the
other one was 4 and married this one is a better bet. Note that he is
living with the family of another carpenter--probably as an apprentice.
1850 Census, CT, New London Co., N. Stonington, Page 313b, Roll 48, Book
1, 9 Aug 1850
Joseph ?Trink?, 59, M, Carpenter, $2200, CT
Lucy ?Trink?, 51, F, -, CT
Mary ?Trink?, 15, F, - CT
Joseph Thomas,19, M, Carpenter, CT
By 1870 Elmira has married William Prothero and has a newborn son by
him. She also had a 4th daughter by Joseph Thomas.
1870 Census, CA, Mendocino Co., Little Lake Twp., Cahto P.O., Sheet 5,
Page 194a, Roll 74, Book 1, 8 Aug 1870
William Prothero,57, M, W, Farmer, $1000, $500, KY
Elmira Prothero, 38, F, W, Keeps house, -, -, IL
Lycurgus Prothero, 1 mo, M, W, -, -, CA
Mary L. Thomas, 13, F, W, -, -, IL
Melvina Thomas, 11, F, W, -, -, IL
Josephine Thomas, 7, F, W, -, -, IL
Catherine Thomas, 5, F, W, -, -, IL
By 1880, the family has grown, with 3 additional Prothero children
including a set of twins.The 3 older girls have moved out--probably married.
1880 Census, CA, Mendocino Co., Long Valley Twp.,Page 239c, Roll 68, Book 1,
William PROTHERO, W, M, 67, -, Farmer, KY, VA, KY,
Elmira PROTHERO, W, F, 46, Wife,Housekeeping, IL, TN, KY
Lycurgus PROTHERO, W, M, 10, Son, -, CA, KY, IL
Lucebra PROTHERO, W, M, 7, Son, -, CA, KY, IL
Lorena PROTHERO, W, F, 7, Dau, -, CA, KY, IL
Elba PROTHERO, -, W, M, 5, -, -, CA, KY, IL
Katharine THOMAS, -, W, F, 14, -, Att school, CA, KY, IL
By 1900, Elmira is a widow. Living with her is her youngest son, Elba
Prothero. Lycurgus is living right down the road with his family. Note
the birth dates. The numbers after marital status for the women indicate
# years married, # of children born, # surviving.
1900 Census, CA, Mendocino Co., Long Valley Twp, ED 72, Sheet 2B, Page
99a, Roll 93, Book 2, 5 & 6 June 1900
Elmira Prothero,Head, W, F, June 1833, 66, Wd, - 9, 7, IL, SC,
KY,Farmer, Owns farm
Elba Prothero,Son, W, M, June 1875, 24 S, -, -, -, CA, IN,IL, Farm laborer,
1900 Census, CA, Mendocino Co., Long Valley Twp,ED 72, Sheet 3A,Page
100a, Roll 93, Book 1,6 & 7 June 1900
Lycurgus Prothero, Head, W, M, May 1870, 30, M, 4, -, - CA, MO, IL, Day
laborer, Owns farm
Minnie Prothero, Wife, W, F, Jan 1876, 24, M, 4, 1, 1, CA, MO,IA, -
Clarence L. Prothero, Son, W, M, Oct 1896, 3, S, -, -, -, CA, CA, CA, -
By 1910 Elmira has either passed away or is living with one of her
daughters. Elba, still unmarried, has the family farm and Lycurgus lives
a couple doors away.
1910 Census, CA, Mendocino Co., Long Valley Twp., Long Valley Prec., ED
62, Sheet 9A, Page 177a, Roll 88, Book 2, 3 May 1910
Address Laytonwith? Rd.
Elba Prothero,Head, M, W, 34, S, -, -, -, CA, MO, IL, Farmer-general
farm, Owns farm
Lycurgus Prothero, Head, M, W, 39, M1, 14, CA, MO, IL,Farm
laborer-working out, Owns house
Minnie Prothero, Wife, F, W, 34, M1, 14, 1, 1, CA, MO, IL, none
Clarence L. Prothero, Son, M, W, 13, S, -, -, -, Ca, CA, CA, none
I didn't find Lycurgus or Elba in the 1920 Census but Elba does appear
in the 1930 Census, in the same place--still single. Also found Lycurgus
and family. The number after marital status indicates age when married.
1930 Census, CA, Mendocino Co., Long Valley Twp., ED 13, Sheet 2B,
120b, Roll 177, April 9 1930
Elba Prothero, Head, M, W, 55, S, CA, MO, IL, Farmer--general farming
Peter Peterson, Lodger, M, W, 18, S, CA, Denmark, CA, Farm
laborer--general farming
1930 Census, CA, Mendocino Co., Long Valley Twp., Laytonsville Town, ED
13, Sheet 4A, Page 122a, Roll 177, Book 2,
Lycurgus Prothero, Head, M, W, 59, M, 24, CA, MO, IL, Laborer-California
Highway
Minnie Prothero, Wife, F, W, 54, M, 19, CA, MO, MO,
1930 Census, CA, Mendocino Co., Long Valley Twp., Laytonsville Town, ED
13, Sheet 4B, Page 122b, Roll 177, Book 2,
Clarence Prothero, Head, M, , 34, M, 31, CA, CA, CA, Laborer-Californa
State Highway
Myrtle Prothero, Wife, F, W, 27, M, 24, OR, OR, CA, none
Richard Prothero, Son, M, W16 mos, CA, CA, OR, none
Lycurgus's wife Minnie's maiden name was Poe and they married on
Christmas day 1895.
Family Tree info on Lycurgus:
M. Minnie Poe 25 Dec 1895. d. 1900
Minnie Poe, b. 3 Jan 1876 Mendocino CA., d. 1901 or later.
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| | | From: mrlucky | Sent: 3/17/2003 4:09 PM |
Hello, I have been trying to find out about my wife's grandfather. His name
was James ( either Samuel or Lemuel ) Pleasant. He worked for the railroad.
Don't know which one, but suposedly was killed by being caught between two
traain cars, in 1938. His son was born in IL, his wife died in IN in 1974.
Her name was Fannie Pleasant. She has stated, before she died, that he died
in 1938. Does any one know who I would contact about an accident at a
railroad? Thanks, Bob O.
[email protected]
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 3/17/2003 5:32 PM |
Hi Again Bev;
I found some more goodies, including Josephine's line--she had 11 kids.I also found Lycurgus and Elba in 1920.
1900 Census, CA, Mendocino Co., Round Valley Twp., ED 74, Sheet 15, Page 131, Roll 93, Book 2, 30 June 1900
Charles E. Betts, Head, W, M, July 1852, 47, M, 23, OH, OH, OH, Teamster, Rents house
Josephine Betts, Josephine, Wife, W, F, May 1862, 38, M, 23, 9, 8, IL, OH, IL, -
Edward Betts,Son,, W, M, Oct 1879, 20, S, -, -, -, CA, OH,IL, Teamster
Ross Betts, Son, W, M, Oct 1881, 18, S, -, -, -, CA, OH, IL, Day laborer
Ella Betts, Daughter, W, F, Jan 1884, 16, S, -, -, -, CA, OH, IL, At school
Harry Betts, Son, W, M, Jan 1887, 13, S, -, -, -, CA, OH, IL, At school
Willis Betts, Son, W, M, Oct 1889, 10, S, -, -, -, CA, OH, IL, At school
Hattie Betts, Daughter, W, F, June 1891, 8, S, -, -, -, CA, OH, IL, At school
Edith Betts, Daughter, W, F, Oct 1895, 4, S, -, -, -, CA, OH,IL, -
Ethel Betts, Daughter, W, F, Oct 1895, 4, S, -, -, -, CA, OH, IL, -
Minnie Betts, Daughter, W, F, June 1899, 11 mos, S, -, -, -, CA, OH, IL, -
1910 Census, CA, Mendocino Co., Round Valley Twp., ED 64, Sheet 2A/B, Page 204a/b, Roll 88, Book 2, 16 April 1910
Charles E. Betts, Head, M, W, 58, M1, 31, -, -, OH, OH, OH, Farm laborer-working out, Rents house
Josie E. Betts, Wife, F, W, 48, M1, 11, 9, IL, US, IL,Laundress
Edith Betts, Daughter, F, W, 14, S, -, =-, -, CA, OH, IL, none
Ethel Betts, Daughter, F, W, 14, S, -, -, -, CA, OH, IL, none
Minnie Betts,Daughter, F, W, CA, OH, IL, none
Mary F. Betts,Daughter, F, 4, CA, OH, IL, none
1920 Census, CA, Mendocino Co., Round Valley Twp., Pct 1, ED 118, Page 128b, Sheet 5B, Roll 121, Book 1, 28 Jan 1920
Josephine E. Betts, Head, F, W, 58, M, -, -, -, IL, OH, IL, none
Minnie R. Betts, Daughter, F, W, 20, S, CA, IL, IL, none
Mary I. Betts, Daughter, F, W, 14, S, -, -, -, CA, IL,IL, none
1920 Census, CA, Mendocino Co., Long Valley Twp., Long Valley Pct., ED 116, Page 109b, Sheet 2B, Roll 121, Book1,7 & 8 Jan 1920
Address: State Highway
Lycurgus L. Prothers, Head, W, M, -, -, -, 49, M, CA, MO, Laborer
Minnie Prothers, Wife, F, W, 43, M, -, 1, 1, CA, IA, Cook
Clarence L. Prothers, Son, M, W,23, S, -, -, -, CA, CA, Laborer
1920 Census, CA, Mendocino Co., Long Valley Twp., ED 116, Line 44 tpo 50 Prison Camp, State Highway, Sheet 6A, Page 113a, Roll 121, Book 1,27 Jan 1920
Elba Prothers, Head, M, W, 44, S, -, -, -, CA, MO, IL,Farmer-general farm
This is one of Josephin's sons--he liverd right down the street form Lycurgus and apparently worked with him.
1930 Census, Ca, Mendocino Co., Long Valley Twp., Laytonsville Town, ED 13, Sheet 4A, Page 122a, Roll 177, Book 2, 14 April 1930
Ross E. Betts, Head, M, W, 48, M, 27, CA, CA, CA,Laborer CA State Highway
Nettie Betts,Wife, F, W, 50, M, 29, CA, OR, KY, none
Other records on teh Betts, Thomas and Prothero families.
SSDI:
CLARENCE PROTHERO
Request Information (SS-5)
SSN 570-09-3939
Residence: 94520 Concord, Contra Costa, CA
Born 25 Oct 1896
Last Benefit:
Died Jun 1971
Issued: CA (Before 1951)
Minnie Poe
Birth: 3 January 1876-- , Mendocino, CA
Death: --
Spouse: Lycurgus Prothero
Parents:
Robert Poe, Louisa Lambert
California Deaths, 1940-97
Surname Given Name Middle Name Sex Birth Date Death Date Birth Place Death Place Social Security # Mother's Maiden Name Father's Surname
PROTHERO ELBA MALE 3 Jun 1875 24 May 1953 CALIFORNIA MENDOCINO 0 - THOMAS PROTHERO
PROTHERO CLARENCE L MALE 25 Oct 1896 13 Jun 1971 CALIFORNIA CONTRA COSTA 57009393 - -
BETTS JOSEPHINE EVELINE FEMALE 4 May 1862 14 Apr 1947 ILLINOIS MENDOCINO 0 - -
Betts, Charles Elias
Spouse: Thomas, Josephine Eveline Marriage Date: 19 January 1878
City: Long Valley Mendocino County:
State:
Charles Edward Betts
Birth: 20 October 1880-- Mendocino, Laytonville, CA
Death: 14 June 1948 -- Eureka, Humboldt, CA
Spouse: Mary Cecil Haydon
Parents: Charles Elias Betts, Josephine Eveline Thomas
Edith Betts
Birth: 11 October 1895-- Mendo, Fort Bragg, CA
Death: --
Spouse: Elmer Mcclure
Parents: Charles Elias Betts, Josephine Eveline Thomas
Elmira Betts
Birth: 10 January 1885-- Mendo, Laytonville, CA
Death: 10 December 1969 --
Spouse: Gustave F Hague
Parents: Charles Elias Betts, Josephine Eveline Thomas
Ethel Betts
Birth: 11 October 1895-- Mendo, Fort Bragg, CA
Death: --
Spouse: Lauren Joseph Downing
Parents: Charles Elias Betts, Josephine Eveline Thomas
Harry Betts
Birth: 11 January 1887-- Mendo, Laytonville, CA
Death:6 August 1918 --
Spouse:
Parents: Charles Elias Betts, Josephine Eveline Thomas
Hattie Clara Betts
Birth: 28 June 1891-- Mendo, Covelo, CA
Death: 22 November 1966 --
Spouse: Frank Edwin Wilson
Parents: Charles Elias Betts, Josephine Eveline Thomas
Minnie Rosalia Betts
Birth: 27 June 1899-- Mendo, Covelo, CA
Death: 30 November 1932 --
Spouse: Clovis C Campbell
Parents: Charles Elias Betts, Josephine Eveline Thomas
Ross E Betts
Birth: 10 October 1882-- Mendo, Laytonville, CA
Death: 22 June 1949
Spouse: Nettie
Parents: Charles Elias Betts, Josephine Eveline Thomas
William Betts
Birth:October 1889-- Mendo, Covelo, CA
Death: 1906
Spouse: --
Parents: Charles Elias Betts, Josephine Eveline Thomas
Betts, Charles Edward
Father: Betts, Charles Elias Mother: Thomas, Josephine Eveline
Birth Date: 20 October 1880 City: Laytonville
County: Mendocino State: CA
Country: USA
Betts, Edith
Father: Betts, Charles Elias Mother: Thomas, Josephine Eveline
Birth Date: 11 October 1895 City: Fort Bragg
County: Mendo State: CA
Country: USA
Betts, Elmira
Father: Betts, Charles Elias Mother: Thomas, Josephine Eveline
Birth Date: 10 January 1885 City: Laytonville
County: Mendo State: CA
Country: USA
Betts, Ethel
Father: Betts, Charles Elias Mother: Thomas, Josephine Eveline
Birth Date: 11 October 1895 City: Fort Bragg
County: Mendo State: CA
Country: USA
Betts, Harry
Father: Betts, Charles Elias Mother: Thomas, Josephine Eveline
Birth Date: 11 January 1887 City: Laytonville
County: Mendo State: CA
Country: USA
Betts, Hattie Clara
Father: Betts, Charles Elias Mother: Thomas, Josephine Eveline
Birth Date: 28 June 1891 City: Covelo
County: Mendo State: CA
Country: USA
Betts, Minnie Rosalia
Father: Betts, Charles Elias Mother: Thomas, Josephine Eveline
Birth Date: 27 June 1899 City: Covelo
County: Mendo State: CA
Country: USA
Betts, Ross E
Father: Betts, Charles Elias Mother: Thomas, Josephine Eveline
Birth Date: 10 October 1882 City: Laytonville
County: Mendo State: CA
Country: USA
Betts, William
Father: Betts, Charles Elias Mother: Thomas, Josephine Eveline
Birth Date: October 1889 City: Covelo
County: Mendo State: CA
Country: USA
Cheers, Wayne
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| | | From: Mac1 | Sent: 3/17/2003 9:22 PM |
Wayne, Masugu, and anyone else involved,
I want to give a great big thanks to you for this breakthrough. This
gives me a whole new direction to investigate and verify. What you
have given me on the Prothero portion verifies what I have now. Is
there an 1860 Illinois census available? It may verify their living
and giving birth to the children in Woodbine Twp, Jo Daviess Co. What
I know of that is just family lore.
Josephine Eveline Thomas was my grandmother and I got some information
from her, but she was just a small child then and may have been wrong.
She did remember, when the people on the wagon train learned of
President Lincoln,s death, they draped their teams and wagons with
black crepe in mourning.
Again, I want to thank everyone, and I will happily answer anyone who
wants to discuss this family.
Beverly E. McClure
[email protected]
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 3/18/2003 12:11 AM |
Bev;
There is no one place on-line htat has the 1860 census indexed. You can
find bits and pieces, and for some counties in IL an SKS has done the
1860 index-its serendipity. If I were you I'd start looking for
historical and genealogical societies in the appropriate counties in IL
and CA. There is usually a KS who will go the extra mile to find data
for you. Also, Gordon or Melody may yet come through with some bit of
magic for you--they have a way of winkling out the hard-to-find stuff.
Hope the data I sent helped. Did you already know about Catherine Thomas?
Cheers, Wayne
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| | | From: M 0 M | Sent: 3/18/2003 12:24 AM |
Beverly,
I checked my favorite site to purchase census CD's but they only have
1910 available. www.allcensus.com
Have you check www.iltrails.org ? This is a little know Illinois genealogy
site that has different information from the other county sites. M.O.M.
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| | | From: Mac1 | Sent: 3/18/2003 7:15 PM |
Wayne,
I want to thank you again for all the material you gave me. It will
take me months to integrate it into what I already have.
You asked about Catherine Thomas. Yes, my parents told me about her,
and I remember seeing her when I was a small child. I an now 75 yrs
old, so that was a long time ago. I was raised in Round Valley, where
Covelo is located, and where much of the family finally settled.
Also, thanks for the advice, I will try that.
Beverly E. McClure
[email protected]
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 3/18/2003 8:29 PM |
Mac;
Glad I could help. Hope it leads to some new data. Cheers, Wayne
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