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From: MSN NicknameVietnamFatCat  (Original Message)Sent: 23/09/2008 08:15
 
 Maybe I am nuts or maybe just a hopeless romantic!
I was watching a re-run of 'The Last Samurai' with Tom Cruise. It was such as moving film, especially the final cavalry change. This brought back the glory and futility of another cavalry charge...The Carge of the Light Brigade!
It also brought back the horror and the blood soaked fields of Vietnam, the constant 'en garde' state of Korea and the lonely 'wondering if they will come' of duty along the former East German-Czechoslovak border.
Maybe only a few members here could relate to this, but oh that I could have stood with Custer at his 'Last Stand'!
I know it is a terrible thing for an NDN to say, but I speak as a warrior now, not as a red man.
The glory and heroics of fighting to the end!
 


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From: MSN NicknamearmouredtrooperSent: 24/09/2008 02:32
Hi Grumpy and Vietnam cat,
 I can agree with you both. As a canadian/ cree/ french Metis, I can say that it wasn't the whites that killed off most of my ancestors, but the bugs that they carried, Polio, Chicken pox, and of course, the "galloping consumption" otherwize known as Tuberculosis. The settlers at that time had no idea that they would be the mechanism for the first boilogical warfare.The Movie industry put out a good movie called "The last of his tribe" starring Grahaem green, A Canadian native actor playing a Yahe native literally the last of his tribe. It showed how he died as he became infected with TB during the last century IE 1800's. I found the movie very poingnant (sp?). As far as Custer goes, I have heard a few reports about how he conducted his campaign against the natives in that area of poerations. He was reported to have wiped out a native settlement down to women and children.. If this is true, it kind of makes Lt Calley's My Lie massacre in Vietnam look like a cake walk. This is supposedly to have happened before wounded knee. maybe the natives had reason to kill everything they saw in retaliation.

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From: MSN NicknameElGato196Sent: 24/09/2008 17:06
Oh, no doubt AT. Custer was no hero in anyone's book. I was just referring to his 'last stand'.

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From: MSN NicknameLarmoburSent: 26/09/2008 11:16
I have been to the Custer battle site, and walked it form both perspectives, not being a West Point Graduate, or any other military college, and therefore not schooled in tactics (other than 10 years in the Army, and a tour in Nam), the first thought that crossed my mind was Custer had it coming. If I had been in a similer situation, and survived, I can think of a few First Sargents, and Sgt Majors that would have kicked my ass for abusing the right to be stupid in public. He took an indefensible position, being severly out numbered, and out gunned, and did the stupidist thing I have ever heard of in military history, he took away the only advantage he had when he gave the order to dismount. That was the perfect time to "run away and live to fight another day"

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From: SargeSent: 28/09/2008 01:44
My grandfather was a full blood Yaqui Indian and my research of his people showed the same history as the American Indians.
The French came in and found that the tribe was living in a mountainous area and the mountains were called by the Indians "The Bleeding Mountains". The reason was the iron deposits would bleed red rust in the rain and it would run down the mountains. The French soon found that the rust meant IRON and they enslaved the Indians that lived in the area to work in their Iron Mines. Many of the Yaqui escaped to the North and now live in the souther Arizona area. Grandfather's mother died at child birth and Grandpa was raised by a Mexican family in a small village near the mountains. Most of the tribes men were wiped out, died in the mines, or killed by the French so for all purposes the tribe died. They were called the Deer Tribe because they lived by hunting deer in the mountainous terrain where they lived. They also had head dresses with deer heads on them.
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From: tgmSent: 28/09/2008 14:16
Custer was indeed a hero. In the Civil War his courage and tanacity were an insperation to his men, he never asked a troop to do anything that he wouldn't do, and did on several occasions. His actions at Washita against Black Kettle were regrettable, He did indeed kill many innocents in an unwarrented attack on a village that contained only a few hostiles who were responsible for the murders of some white settlers. His actions at the Little Big Horn were typical of his M.O., that is bravdo and a blitzkrieg type of charge. I believe his last tactic was, if you don't have a hand, bluff. But his "Custer's luck ran out. Ten to one odds agianst a better armed opponent is bad bussiness. The kicker was that he was fully warned of the odds, after the conflict, some Indian women pierced his eardrums so he could hear better in the afterlife. Appropriate mabey ?

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