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From: Greensleeves  (Original Message)Sent: 3/25/2008 6:59 PM
OK here's a query for you peeps to opine upon.....when Fitzroy died in the summer of 1536 (methinks he was at Margaret Beaufort's old hangout of Collyweston at the time), Henry VIII did a few very odd things.  First, he charged Norfolk (Fitzroy's FIL via his marriage to Mary Howard) with planning the funeral, & later had a colossal Tudor rage that Norfolk didn't do it right & accede his son with the honor he deserved.  Also, he directed Norfolk to place Fitzroy in a lead-lined coffin, which I'm thinking is unusual especially as it was remarked upon as being so.
 
So what's up with that?  Did Fitzroy die of something so nastily contagious that he had to be contained for eternity?  Why the swift & hush-hush funeral?  Why send Norfolk to bury his only son?  Why did Henry himself not see to it, or have one last look at his darling boy?  Why did he charge Norfolk with getting the kid in the ground ASAP?
 
In the Joanna Denny bio of Catherine Howard, she speculates that Fitzroy was known to be gathering supporters that summer, prior to the Pilgrimage of Grace, & that he may have been one of its ringleaders & intriguing against his father in hopes of overthrowing him & gaining the throne a lil earlier than anticipated.  She dramatically hurls out the suggestion that Henry may have had his own son poisoned (not so far-fetched a notion when he'd just executed his wife & was threatening Mary with same), & wanted Fitzroy planted with no honors & in such a coffin that it would prohibit opening to view the corpse.
 
Even if that's untrue, the questions I've raised regarding Fitzroy's arrangements still stand....what was up with that?


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From: ForeverAmberSent: 3/28/2008 4:12 PM
I've always wondered why Henry had Fitzroy planted so swiftly & sans ceremony.  Yelling at Norfolk seemed to me like Elizabeth hurling her secretary in the Tower for acting on the MQOS warrant.  I'm sure Norfolk, so soon after Anne's execution, wouldn't have dared just do as he pleased with the royal corpse, so he had to have been doing Henry's bidding in the matter.  I've read that sometimes a lead-lined coffin was used when a corpse was dramatically decomposed, I'm guessing so it wouldn't burst & leak before burial?  Fitzroy DID die in high summer; however, I can't see his body lying about for days before anyone found it.  It could just have been a precaution if the weather was really hot.  I mean, Henry sort of exploded in his (to give the dogs the chance to lick his blood as per the prophecy) & that was in February
 
Fitzroy had just turned 17 a few weeks before his death, & that IS an age where teenage boys are at their most rebellious (speaking from experience of having raised a couple of em ROFL).  Is this gathering of troops cited anywhere but Denny, & where did she find this info?
 
I can't see Henry, with his desperate desire for a male heir, poisoning Fitzroy secretly like that.  Poisoning is NOT a nice way to go & often excruciatingly painful to the victim.  I don't think even Henry could torment his child in such a fashion.  Plus, Henry had just introduced a bill into Parliament to add Fitzroy to the succession, lacking a legitimate male heir.  That was actually clever of him because an Act of Parliament can only be repealed by another Act of Parliament, so it's pretty much graven in stone.  Why would he propose that if he was engaged in doing away with him?