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The Normans : William the Conqueror
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From: ForeverAmber  (Original Message)Sent: 9/7/2002 4:46 AM
Atebekar's addition to the tail end ofthe King Stephen discussion about William stealing the throne provided the inspiration for this newest thread.  Now I had always thought Edward the Confessor PROMISED the throne to William, & that Harald ACKNOWLEDGED William's claim to the succession.  Of course, with William being in Normandy at the time of Edward's death & Harald being conveniently nearby with a decent claim of his own, it didn't take much to convince the Witan to elevate one of its own rather than the foreign bastard.
 
So.....DID William have a valid claim to England's throne, or not?  Opinions?


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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 9/9/2002 2:20 AM
ACTUALLY...William I was a second cousin to Edward the Confessor while Harold II was simply Edward's Brother-in-law...So besides having Edward's "promise" of the throne, William really did have the better claim. (the fact he won at Hastings is a real big plus also  )

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From: atabekârSent: 9/28/2002 8:15 PM
What about poor Edgar ?

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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 9/29/2002 1:44 AM
Which Edgar?
 
King Edgar of Wessex? (also known as Edgar the Peaceful):
He died in 975, so I guess it couldn't be him seeing we are discussing William the Conquerer and the battle of Hastings (1066).
 
Hmmmm...there was a King Edgar of Scotland...but he was King during the reign of Rufus (King William II), so I guess it's not him.
 
 
The only other Edgar I can think of would be.....
 
 
Do you mean.....
 
 
THE AETHELING??????
 

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Edgar the Aetheling

Aetheling or prince. Edgar due to politics, age and inexperience was passed over in favour of Harold II as king of England. He was the great nephew of Edward the confessor and should have been king but following the conquest (it is rumored he was King for an hour!) he fled to Scotland then Flanders. He fought for Robert Curthose (Eldest son of William I) against Henry I in 1074, finally to be captured in 1106 then released soon afterwards.  There is little to no more information about him and even his death year of 1125 is often disputed.

 
 
BTW...for an awesome sight about the battle of Hastings (phenominal graphics) check it out...here's the link:

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From: ForeverAmberSent: 9/29/2002 7:25 AM
Oh, my!  Tis full of BEGATS!   All those rival claimants to the throne.....there was something to be said for Salic Law!  Way cool site, highly recommend a peek.

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From: BerengariaSent: 9/29/2002 10:40 AM
This group always has the best links!

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From: EchoSent: 9/29/2002 9:13 PM
Beautiful site!  Passing it on to neices...  I wonder if the current English monarchy doesn't need a good "bastard" to take over the throne.  Er.  Speaking of that. 
 
I don't think Prince Harry will see this site so I'll say it, but I feel so sorry for him with the question of his parentage hanging over him.  Has anyone ever heard if he has been factually cleared of illigitimacy?

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From: MSN NicknameDarkLadySmiles1Sent: 9/29/2002 9:51 PM
Echo, I shouldn't think we'll ever know!The illegitimacy is only a rumour, I can't see any way that it can be substanciated, therefore denied! I think this is another of those rumours destined for the closet!
Stonehenge....Love the site!!!..thanks
 

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From: BerengariaSent: 9/30/2002 7:38 PM
Funny you should mention Prince Harry.  I was idly flipping through a People magazine just yesterday and they had a spread on him.  And I thought to myself, he really doesn't look like either of his parents, does he?
 
They could do DNA testing in this day and age!

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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 10/1/2002 12:56 AM
I doubt they would do that unless by some quirk he was about to take the throne. 
 
Although through Diana he is really more Englishly Royal (even though it's the wrong side of the blanket) than through his father's more German lineage.
 
(just realized...Englishly...is that a word??  )

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From: Princess ButtercupSent: 10/1/2002 12:29 PM
There goes Stonehenge again...making up words as she goes along!!!

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From: MSN Nicknameterrilee62Sent: 10/3/2002 4:46 AM
I've always thought that Prince Harry looked a great deal like Diana's father.....and did you see her brother on the TV news shows at the anniversary of her death ~ no doubt about it, Harry is a Spencer.
At least neither of the boys inherited their father's unfortunately HUGE EARS!!!!
Let's hope they also don't inherit his taste in mistresses ~ 'nuff said!!

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From: atabekârSent: 10/6/2002 12:09 AM
Those ears have been around ...

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From: Lady GraceSent: 10/6/2002 4:38 AM
Just came across an article in the New Zealand Womens' Weekly in which James Hewitt is interviewed about the likihood of him being Harry's father. The key dates are:
29 July, 1981: Charles and Diana marry
21 June, 1982: Prince William born
15 September, 1984: Prince Harry born
September 1986: Diana and James Hewitt begin affair
1991: Affair ends whicle James is away with the army
9 December, 1992: Formail separation of Charles and Diana
 
So, if we're to believe James Hewitt, he couldn't be Harry's dad.
 
As an interesting aside, Hewitt also claims that he was treated unfairly by the army:
"He was drummed out of the army for adultery and has stuggled since to establish himself in any sort of career. Hewitt remains bitter that the same treatment wasn't meted out to Prince Charles - also an army officer and also an adulterer.
"Let's face it, he was the one who was sleeping with an officer's wife (Camilla) for years," says Hewitt. "He is still an officer in all three forces. In fact, he has been promoted. I'm not complaining. I transgressed the army's rules and I was dealt with accordingly. All I'm asking for is for the rules to be applied evenly and for attitudes to reflect that."
 
Lady Grace

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From: MSN Nickname♥Leesa�?/nobr>Sent: 10/11/2004 3:28 PM
Hmmm interesting site indeed.  I bookmarked it to read further.  I will admit now that I am not a histoy buff...It wasn't my thing.  Which is really sad because now in my life I'm begining to look into the  history of my family.  It would have been most helpful if I would have paid attention in class.
 
I have read and heard lore that one of my  own decendants had been involved in the battle of hastings.  However I didn't see the name mentioned.  There were I see sections of different groups that were under the control of William and the other leaders of his force.  I'd say that my decendant was one of the archers led by William.
 
As far as the claim bit goes.....if Edward the Confessor did say to William anything about the throne....I'd say that William took it to heart and so forth set more desire to be sure to have it.  If Edward didn't mean what he said then he shouldn't have said it...
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameWillowCircleSent: 2/22/2005 6:58 AM
On Edgar the Aethling:  Sir Stevin Runciman says in his book "The First Crusade" that Edgar the Aethling was Admiral of Emperor Alexis' Byzantine fleet and in 1098 or 99 was instrumental in getting supplies to the Crusaders at, I believe, Antioch and likely saving the Crusade.  I wasn't aware he had fought Henry I previously.  So maybe he was a capable man, and just had the misfortune of being too young when the Confessor died.
Whatever the Confessor did or didn't say to William, the fact was the English decidedly wanted and English king, as evidenced by how long it took William to subdue the country, and Harold was a very capable and popular man, and a proven military commander who had essentially done a pretty good job of running the government for the last 14 years of Edward's reign.  I read somewhere that from calculations in the Domesday Book about half the population of the country is estimated to have perished in the first 20 years of William's rule. 
This is an awesome site, I'm so glad I found it!  Now I don't have to bore my husband literally to tears with my sundry and impassioned historical ramblings.  The poor man bears it all patiently, and now knows more than he ever dreamed possible about things he could care less about!

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