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Yesm this dreadful parody has been renewed for a 2nd sexed-up Showtime season I reckon all those peeps who want the fairytale are gonna be mighty gobsmacked at these Anne Boleyn pix when they get to the end HERE (did you see they made Jane Seymour a gorgeous blonde with a chin, BTW??? ).

Other characters from Season 2 cane be seen over HERE.....(Brandon looks fairly hot in that red velvet suit but o my WHO is the new eye candy lad on the Tudor block no pun intended LOL) & yesm that IS Peter O'Toole as the pope

I'd have to agree with Terrilee's observation. In the beginning, Henry could do no wrong in the eyes of his subjects. He was a young, good-looking, exceptionally tall, virile, athletic, charismatic male, a greater contrast to his father couldn't have been possible, & as Henry VIIs reign had only lasted 24 years, there were still Englishmen alive who fondly recalled "the good old days" of Henry's similiarly endowed Yorkist grandsire, Edward IV. Until Arthur's death he'd been educated for the Church, possibly receiving a better "classical" education than his elder brother, & was by all accounts more than of average intelligence, even taking into consideration the flattery awarded to kings. He was viewed as the "knight in shining armor" who rescued "the damsel in distress", Catherine of Aragon, who'd spent 8 years languishing for want of a protector. Unlike his father, he threw money about freely, surrounded himself with "new men" not necessarily of the great noble houses (Brandon in particular was a pet peeve of Norfolk's his whole life), & played much harder than he worked (the series at least in the early days got that right). The whole notion of a "royal progress" so that his subjects could see & be dazzled by his majesty, that was Henry's invention. For a period Catherine was even Ferdinand's ambassador to the English Court, & she appears to have had the most parity of all the wives as far as a working partnership, at least at the start of their relationship. Henry VII & Margaret Beaufort kept him in virtual seclusion, trotting him out only as necessary for state events, & it's entirely possible he was either a virgin or had very little experience with women by the time he married Catherine 6 weeks after his accession. As a teenager he rarely got his own way & was definitely not a "spoiled brat" as this show depicts him from its first episode. Henry was genuinely liked by just about everyone in those early halcyon days of his reign, & prima donnas don't get that sort of reputation. He may have partied hard, but that's because of the denial of his upbringing; he was so rarely seen in public before his father's death that there was speculation in the ambassadorial community that there might have been something "wrong" with him. Until he shocked all of Christendom by slicing off Anne Boleyn's head, he really did NOT have the reputation of some tyrannical, twisted despot. Methinks this show is too busy "foreshadowing" to pay attention to the facts

What is the line in Anne of the Thousand Days? More tells Cromwell, "I regret that you did not heed my advice...You have told the King not what he ought to do but what he can do. Now no man in the world can hold him."

With The Great Matter, Henry did learn he could pretty much do what he wanted with no tangible consequences to him personally. No invasions came. No uprising occurred that wasn't put down. Excommunication and ordering the execution of friends like Thomas More were perhaps difficult, but getting what he wanted in the end was more important to him.

He came the antithesis of the young renaissance prince he had been. Maybe aging and chronic pain twisted him more than we imagine. Not sure if anyone will truly understand how he became the egomanical tyrant he was at the end of his reign.

I may be wrong...but the gorgeous blonde I don't beleive is Jane Seymour.

I beleive it was Eleanor, just another woman Henry lusted after.

She was a lady in Anne's court.

The previews I saw of what seemed to be Jane..well...she did look fairly plain,

if that's suppose to be her.

I guess maybe I'll find out this next Sunday...

Part of AMTs "message relocation program" (if you hurl stuff in any old thread, chances are it will be ignored there; do try to get in the corret topic thread TYVM):

From:

Elizabeth15332

Sent: 4/22/2008 12:42 PM

Hi do you think in the Tudors they will talk about the betrothal between princess Elizabeth (Anne Boleyn and Henry VII's daughter) and the French Duke Charles of Angouleme? Do you know what actually happened to Elizabeth and Angouleme's betrothal?

A Natalie Dormer fansite HERE has a plethora of The Tudors stills & video clips. There's also a tour the actress did of the Tower of London allegedly "discussing the historical accuracy" of the show ROFLMFAO Apparently The Tudors season ended June 1st, Anne's coronation date, with the execution episode.

Hi everyone,

While I realize that historical inaccuracies abounded in this "dreadful parody", I thoroughly enjoyed every moment of this wickedly delightful series as pure entertainment. Naturally, I got frustrated with a lot of the obvious intentional blunders like the suicide of Cardinal Wolsey and the blending of of Mary and Margaret Tudor into one hysterical and silly female who murdered her old creep of a husband with a pillow, but I gave the series the benefit of the doubt and allowed myself the oppurtunity to just have fun with it. I know that many of you didn't appreciate the casting, but I was totally enthralled with all of the eye candy!! I'd much rather drool over the likes of Jonathan Rhys Meyers and Henry Cavill than stare at some fat old farts with 6 inch whiskers. The boobies were bountiful and beautiful, and I grew quite fond of Natalie Dormer's performance as the doomed Anne. Her portrayol of the tragic queen as she awaited execution in the tower was touching, and most of all, accurate. I found those scenes to be more realistic than the Anne of the Thousand Days version. (And I still LOVE that film!!) I will never forget watching her wrap her gorgeous hair and take off her jewelry before she gave her famous last words and let the swordsman do his duty.

In other words:

What fun!! What fun!! What sheer delight!

I couldn't wait for Sunday night!

I drooled at John and Henry, too

And if you saw them, so would you!

The broad who played Kate Aragon

Looked like a nun with jewelry on!

She prayed a lot and begged for sex

When Henry wanted Annie next!

He couldn't wait to get divorced

So he could bone with Anne of course,

Cuz she was hot and really stacked

And had the boobies Kathy lacked.

Along came More with Wolsey out,

And made his royal higny pout.

He said, "I can't convince the Pope O'Toole

To break his Roman Marriage Rule.

You married Kate, now you are stuck,

You want divorced? You're out of luck!"

I will not say another word,

And if you ask, I won't be heard.

He met the axe and then he died

While Henry Tudor sat and cried.

He missed his friend, but wanted Anne

Because he was a lusty man.

Kate Aragon ends up quite dead

Still wishing Hank was in her bed

While Henry looks for other dames

To join him in his chamber games.

Hank marries Anne and she has Liz,

He looks at her and says "Gee Whiz!

You're not a boy and I'm not mad,

But I am still a little sad.

He knocks up Anne to get an heir,

But thinks he better find a spare,

And finds a girl who has chin

He says, "Hi Jane!! Can I come in?

I got a wife, but no romance

And yet I give her lots of chance

To have a son she won't supply

And so I'm giving you a try!"

Intrigue abounds! The lies begin!

Anne loses face! They say she sinned!

They say she bones her brother George

When he has other men to forge!

The trials are fast, the verdicts quick,

The heads fall off and I get sick!

I will not watch another blow

But I am hooked!! I love this show!

And I will sit through Season Three

While wishing that it was for free.

I paid the cable guy his share

While I wait for the Flanders Mare.

Painter - you rock. I thought Natalie Dormer did a decent job as Anne. A little on the slutty side but what the heck, right. She was an ambitious woman and her family sure did encourage her in that direction. I'm sure the last scene with Henry stuffing his face with "Swan Pot Pie" indicates we will be seeing a somewhat portly Henry next season. I'm still not sold on that actor (Henry VIII). I'm not a fan.

I enjoyed the series, but the Mary/Margaret character is what has annoyed me the most. The real Jane Seymour was never that pretty. She reminds me of the Simpsons' version. I wonder what Anne of Cleves will look like. Showtime will probably have A of C and KH doing more than dancing together. I liked fox-nosed Francis and big chinned Charles and their interaction with Henry VIII. I don't recall ever seeing the Field of Cloth of Gold before. The clothes and actors are beautiful. I am getting used to JRM strutting around although I don't know how much strutting he will do in Season 3.

I have to say painter1295233 Excellent!! your poetry it´s outstanding. and I´m not being sarcastic, I agree the show it´s fine! I don´t belive there is somone especting histiric accuracy on a tv show and we can be witness of actual events with a fresh and renewed vision. I enjoyed Wolsey as perhaps the best perform of the show, photography it´s pretty good, Comon guys It´s only for fun.

OK so in Season 3, HOW is Henry supposed to say "I Like her not!" & call THAT girl "a great Flanders mare"? Anne of Cleves has been cast & she ain't homely, so what's gonna be the excuse for getting rid of her?

I didn´t get so far yet, let me enjoy 3erd season, anyway every married man has the right to say whatever-mare any time and that is excuse enougth.

I¨m sorry, just kidding...

What I trying to say is that history is related to actual facts.Motivations, excuses, are about the interpretation of it...

British evacuated Dunkerke or Hitler let them go, we can be debating this for ever...

I'm just thinking if the "main" reason for Henry wanting to shuck Anne of Cleves was on account of her being fat & ugly (like he wasn't by then LOL), the actress playing the part ought to reflect such....so what's his reason for divorcing her gonna be then? And how he supposedly claimed he tried & tried but couldn't consummate the marriage....God forbid HENRY might be impotent, it HAD to be Anne's fault his lil soldier wouldn't stand up & salute the wife How are they gonna explain THAT?

And I am STILL wondering who the fictitious Tudor uncle who got murdered in Episode 1 Season 1 might be

Can anybody tell me what channel apart from bbc2, they show this programme on I found it once by accident but can't remember where. I can't get bbc2 here.

LOL, Greensleeves, I'm with you on Henry's mysterious uncle. At least when the series opened like that, you knew what to expect.

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