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O good grief....tis been renewed for Season 3 & they're already confident there'll be a 4th....AND Henry's NOT gonna get fat!  See HERE for details & puhleeze what queen would sit like that?  |
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The artizle sez they're currently shooting the 3rd season - and expect to be renewed for a 4th. Isn't that Anne Boleyn in the pic - I thought her death was at the end of Season 2?? My favorite quote from the article: "So there will never be a fat suit. That would be unreal.�?nbsp;  'Cause we all understand how important reality is to the writers & producers of this, this, well, I can't say it! Best abbreivated as TTOS! ps - my second favorite quite from this article, courtesy of the little elf himself, Jonathan Rhys Meyers: He has argued that actors “are not famous because they’re pug ugly�? and that there was no point in selling a historical drama “to a country like America�?featuring “a big fat 250lb red-haired guy with a beard�? |
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Alright, enough already!!! Need we members be this vicious and stoop to personal insults? Thought this was a place for more intellectual discussions of our period of interest? Here's an idea...how about putting the blame on the writers and producers of this dreck, where it rightly belongs. THEY cast him, THEY wrote it, THEY choose how it will be shot, THEY approve the costuming...need I go on? It is, after all, a crappy, ficitonalized TV show, not a docudrama nor historical biography. If you find it so intensely disagreeable, put an end to your masochistic tendencies and pick up an excellent book or start a new thread? Here's looking forward to more interesting topics and thoughtful discussions. Cheers! |
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I think it is quite reasonable for anyone to be annoyed when a programme is made that is a travesty of the historical period it is meant to represent. And it is also reasonable to be annoyed when a condescending critic says that an American audience wouldn't be able to tolerate a fat Henry. I see nothing wrong in people venting about these subjects on here. I think you're being a touch oversensitive. I doubt that the people concerned would much care what anyone on this site thought of them anyway. Louise |
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Even Anne of the Thousand Days doesn't get it right, & that seems to be among the most acceptable of Tudor-era films. As we've said a million times, the real story is so much more fascinating, why must they muck about with it so? While this & that other travesty, The Other Boleyn Girl (which I thought the movie was actually better than the book), have served to heighten interest in the period, who knows how many peeps are sitting there taking it as historically accurate & aren't moved to further research it to learn the truth? Tis annoying & JRMs commentary implying the series needs to be "dumbed down" for we stupid Americans deserves a smack in the chops. He's an actor, let him shut up & act, if he can. Yes, it IS the fault of the producers & writers, who are pushing the limits & missing out on a splendid opportunity to get it right because sex sells better than a fat guy with a turkey leg, in their opinion |
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I've been thinking about boleynfan's remarks, and wondered why I despise things like TTOS so much. I think it's because I've been reading about the Tudors, and by extension MQOS, and the preceding monarchs back to the Conquest, for over 35 years! I've read just about everything I can lay my hands on, from David Starkey & Alison Weir, for example, to "The Other Boleyn Girl" (tho had to hold my nose to read that one & 'The Constant Princess"  ) but at any rate, I feel like I know these people! And the writers of this series are telling lies them! If you're an American, it would be like a mini series about the Civil War with Lincoln played by George Clooney & Mary Todd Lincoln played by Jessica Simpson!! It's just wrong!! Imagine such a series running nearly 400 years after the fact, and most people would think it true to life since they didn't know any better. And I felt insulted by JRS's quote that he was an actor & we Americans would not watch a historical drama featuring featuring a bit fat red-haired guy. How much more interesting the series would have been if it had started with JRM as he is (although I would lose the sullen, spoiled attitude!) and show his gradual decent, because of ill-health and feeling betrayed by everyone, including God. Instead we are treated to Hampton Court 90210. Movies & books can be considered great entertainment without all the sexcapades - Exhibit A - Gone With the Wind. The only hint of sex there is a married Scarlett waking up with a huge grin on her face  !!! |
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Hello, all. I've been reading the various posts about Showtime's The Tudors series for awhile now (weeks? months?), and I've finally decided to add my two cents. I actually find the show quite entertaining, and I enjoyed the film version of The Other Boleyn Girl. I know, I know -- both are travesties of inaccuracy, as so many members of this list have pointed out. But I look at it this way: Some of my favourite shows and movies, which I watch purely for entertainment, are travesties of inaccuracy. Do lawyers really behave the way they do on Law and Order? Do doctors really behave the way they do on Grey's Anatomy? And, with respect to historical representations, one of my all-time favourite movies is All About Eve, set in the Broadway world of the 1950s -- is that really how it was? The answer to all of these questions, surely, is no -- but I enjoy watching these entertainments anyway. I know full well that they aren't accurate, but I don't care! When it comes to historical dramas, I'm there for the costumes, the sets, and the general atmosphere. And yes, while I watch the various Tudor-related films and shows, I'm mentally tallying the inaccuracies that I notice (who knows how many I don't notice?), but I don't let that spoil my enjoyment of the sights and sounds. And of course I realize that the world of criminal prosecutions isn't nearly as exciting and action-packed as all the TV shows depict, but I get a kick out of the situations, the dialogue, the performances, etc. etc. I guess I'm just not that much of a purist! And, one last thing -- haven't a number of people on this list confessed that they, like me, were "turned on" to the Tudor era by reading Jean Plaidy and watching the Keith Michell series? And how do we know that the dialogue in those is realistic? And that the private thoughts of the historical figures are depicted accurately? The actual historical records only take us so far -- the imaginations of the writers have to fill in the rest. Linda |
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Hey all! I haven't been posting much for quite a few months now. And it is because when I joined this group I expected it to be more historical and literary in content. When the Tudors came out on Showtime it seems that is all the posts are about. I have no problem with people voicing their opinions, but over and over and over! JRM is a condescending little turd and I am ashamed to have the same ancestory as he does. I am American but descend from pure Irish stock. However; I have to agree that all movies and books about anything historical can never be totally accurate especially if written by modern day writers. All we can do is guess at what was seen, said, felt and done. Even the records of the times are not purely accurate but written in someones opinion and conjecture. Sure there are original documents that exist from that time and artifacts that can lead us on to a story, but ultimately that story is created from our own minds. I love the Tudor era and have also read and studied it for the last 35 years and as an "Ugly, Dumb American" can honestly say that I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see a fat, old Henry. Keith Michell lives on! He is still alive isn't he? Thanks for the entertainment though as you so vehemently protest Showtime's the Tudors!  Tudorgalusa |
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Hampton Court 90210 OMG that was too funny, Terrilee ROFL And you make excellent points about both GWTW not being all sexed up (they couldn't do that in the 30s, & Selznick had to pay a $5,000 fine just for Rhett's parting shot to Scarlett containing a relatively mild cuss word) yet still being an enduring classic & one of the most-watched films ever, nearly 70 years after the fact; also about the Civil War parallel, as that seems to be the period of American history that, like the Tudors in British history, generates the most amount of interest. That would also be a travesty. Anyone recall the old "Kent Famly Chronicles" series by John Jakes that was initially released to coincide with the American Bicentennial & later the 1st 2 books became a miniseries? One of the stars may have been so far from "pug ugly" (Don Johnson, for one, remember Miami Vice?) it wasn't funny, yet they managed to do a fabulous job of portraying period accurately nonetheless. Or look at Roots & how that miniseries captivated not just the American TV watching public, but the world. And those were based upon novels. There's not been a dearth of Tudor-era material, both fiction & non-fiction, that's for certes, so there's just no excuse for how TTOS plays it out. I'd rather see a Jean Plaidy book, like The Lady in the Tower or Murder Most Royal, for example, brought to the screen instead. Why? Because Plaidy's novels left you wanting to learn MORE, just as Norah Lofts' The Concubine did (that's just been reissued by the way if anyone's copy is worn to tatters). I don't think TTOS's after-the-fact novelization of the series stands a chance of becoming a classic worthy of re-release 50 years after they're written. Other than the obvious casting, costuming, & historical accuracy flaws, H8 wasn't the only Tudor & his entire story wasn't "divorced beheaded died divorced beheaded survived". You cringe reading the postings on "fansites forums" for this series. I suppose TTOS felt it couldn't generate a "fan following" right off the bat had they started with 13-year-old widow Margaret Beaufort in labor, instead ignoring nearly half of Henry's reign to plunge right into the juicier meat of The King's Great Matter. I think we watch all thigns Tudor in the vain hope that someday someone will get it RIGHT, & set ourselves up for a huge disappointment. Just ONCE I'd like to see H7 somewhere other than on his deathbed ROFL Love to see more literary & historical content @ AMT; it might be helpful if more members hurled out their own posting topics of interest or even bumped up on old discussion to get it going again. We can't possibly have said all there is to say on the subject! |
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Just a few rejoinders to ForeverAmber - I read Hampton Court 90210 in a review of "The Other Boleyn Girl" movie & thought it was clever. Other writers have called TTOS "The history of Henry the 8th as told by TMZ" I loved this comment: This looks like MTV meets the Tudors. That's the problem. Art should elevate the audience, not lower itself to their level of ignorance. It seems like this program sinks to the lowest levels of education, irritating and confusing those who know the facts, and pandering to those who don't and most likely never will. However, I agree that we can always find more to say about these fascinating characters - I'm doing my part, posing in the Stuarts board about the possible marriage between Edward VI & MQOS (why am I always posting about her??) Oh, and loved the Kent Family chronicles, remember rereading from the beginning of the series each time a new one came out! John Jakes was proud of keeping his books historically accurate and even listened to readers who would catch errors in his books & write him about them! Of course, he then went on to write North & South, another favorite - and the televised miniseries starred the very-far-from pug ugly Patrick Swayze & James Read!  |
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Mmmm Patrick Swayze  My look how young he was there.... |
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