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How far back do you have to go to find a mention of Cadawaladr?

Is he the Cadwallon in 635 below? Not much of a mention if he is!

Did you see there is a Tudor (Tewdwr) mentioned in 760?

The Chronicle of Ystrad Fflur
Maelgwn Gwynedd to Rhodri Mawr
540	In this year Saint Illtud went to the Lord and Gildas wrote "De Exidio Brittaniae".
542	In this year Saint Deiniol founded the cathedral at Bangor.
546	In this year Dyfrig went to the Lord.
547	In this year there was a great plague in which Maelgwn, king of Gwynedd, died.
550	In this year the learned Padarn of Maes Heli went to the Lord.
550	In this year Derfel Gadarn, who fought at Camlann, and Teilo went to the Lord.
565	In this year Gildas voyaged to Ireland. And Samson, bishop of Dol, died.
570	In this year Gildas, wisest of Britons, died. And there was great slaughter at Catraeth.
573	In this year was the battle of Arfderydd between the sons of Eliffer and Gweddolau son of Ceido; in which battle Gwenddolau fell; Myrddin went mad. And this was the third futile battle of the Island of Britain.
577	In this year the battle of Dyrham was lost.
584	In this year died Deiniol.
588	In this year Dewi Sant went to the Lord.
601	In this year the Synod of Chester was held. And Asaph died.
602	In this year was the battle of Degsastan and Aethelfrith was victorious.
612	In this year Saint Dyfrig died. And Kentigern went to the Lord.
615	In this year was the Massacre of the saints at Bangor Iscoed and Selyf ap Cynan Garwyn was defeated by Aethelfrith at Chester.
616	In this year Ceredig died.
625	In this year Edwin was baptized, and Rhun ap Urien baptized him and the whole nation of the Thugs along with him.
626	In this year a stone was raised for Cadfan of Gwynedd.
632	In this year was the battle of Meigen; and there Edwin was slain with his two sons; and Cadwallon ap Cadfan was the victor. And Penda and Eobba, sons of Pybba, fought with him there and Eobba fell.
635	In this year Cadwallon fell at the battle of Cantscaul, and Oswald Brightblade, son of Aethelferth had the victory.
638	In this year was Obsesio Etin.
640	In this year Beuno died.
642	In this year Penda and the kings of the Britons killed Oswald at Maserfelth. And at the end of the year Owain of Alt Clut killed Domnall Brecc at Strath Caruin.
645	In this year the monastery of David was burnt.
650	In this year was the victory at Caer Luitcoed.
655	In this year was Atbret Iudeu. And at the end of the year was the slaughter of the field of Gai and Oswy killed the kings of the Britons, and Penda with them, save only Catamail Catguommed.
658	In this year Oswy came and took plunder.
660	In this year Gwenfrewi, abbess, died.
665	In this year was the second battle of Badon.
682	*The last king of the Britons, Cadwaladr ap Cadwallon, died on pilgrimage to Rome; this was the first entry in the Brut y Tywysogion.*
685	In this year Bredei son of Beli, king of the Picts, killed Ecgfrith at Linn Garan.
721	In this year the Britons prevailed in three battles: Heilyn, Garthmaelog and Pen-cwn.
729	In this year was the battle of Mynydd Carno.
735	In this Bede, the priest, slept.
750	In this year was Gwaith Mygedog and then Talargan, king of the Picts was slain. And Tewdwr ap Beli died.
754	In this year Rhodri, king of the Britons, died.
760	In this year was Gwaith Henffordd between the Britons and the Saxons. And Dynfnwal ap Tewdwr died.
768	In this year Easter was changed among the Britons, Elfoddw, servant of God, emending it.
774	In this year Ffyrnfael ab Idwal died.
776	In this year died Cuthbert the Abbot.
777	In this year Offa harried the men of the South.
784	In this year Britain was devastated by Offa.
795	In this year the Pagans came to Ireland and Rechra was harried.
796	In this year Offa, king of the Mercians, and Maredudd of Dyfed fell at Rhuddlan.
798	In this year Caradog of Gwynedd was killed by the Saxons.
807	In this year Arthen of Ceredigion died.
808	In this year died Rhun, king of Dyfed, and Cadell of Powys.
809	In this year Elfoddw, archbishop of Gwynedd, died.
810	In this year Menevia was burnt.
811	In this year died Owain ap Maredudd.
812	In this year Degannwy was burnt by fire of lightening.
813	In this year there was war between Hywel and Cynan, and Hywel prevailed.
814	In this year Gruffudd ap Rhun died. And then Griffri ap Cyngen was slain through the treachery of Elise, his brother.And Hywel obtained the victory and Cynan was driven into flight with many of his host slain.
816	In this year Hywel was driven a second time from Anglesey. And the Saxons ravaged Eryri and took Rhufoniog by force.
817	In this year was the battle of Llan-faes.
818	In this year Coenwulf ravaged the land of Dyfed.
822	In this year Degannwy was destroyed by the Saxons and they took the kingdom of Powys into their own control.
823	In this year Brother Nennius compiled his book.
825	In this year Hywel died.
844	In this year Rhodri ap Merfyn was High King.
848	In this year was the battle of Ffinnant. And the men of Brycheiniog slew Ithel, king of Gwent.
849	In this year the Saxons slew Meurig.
850	In this year Cynin was killed by the black gentiles.
853	In this year Mona laid waste by the black gentiles.
855	In this year Cyngen of Powis died on pilgrimage; and Rhodri took Powys.
861	In this year Maelsechlainn died.
864	In this year Duda laid Glywysing waste.
869	In this year was the battle of Bryn Onnen.
872	In this year Gwgan ap Meurig drowned and Seisyllwg came to Rhodri.
874	In this year were the battles of Banolau and Ynegydd.
876	In this year Rhodri was in Ireland.
877	In this year Rhodri and Gwriad fell to the Saxons.

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This holy king succeeded his father, Cadwallon ab Cadvan, about 634 A.D., and was the last Welsh king to have sovereignty over all Britain. The Mediaeval "Chronicles of the Princes" of Wales opens with the end of this King’s reign.<o:p></o:p>

In the Welsh Triads, he is said to be one of the "Three Golden-banded of the Island of Britain", i.e. one of the three Kings who wore the golden bands that were insignia of supreme temporal power, and were worn around the neck, the arms and the knees. In another Triad, he is called one of the three "Blessed" or canonised kings of Britain for the protection he afforded to the fugitive Christians when dispossessed by the pagans.<o:p></o:p>

Unlike his warrior father, he was a man of peace and piety; and embodied the Biblical and Orthodox ideal of kingship according to which the king is the servant of God and of God’s people.<o:p></o:p>

It was indeed providential that this Saint reigned at that critical time in history. In 664, a plague broke out which desolated Britain and Ireland and in which the Saint himself probably died - but not before having distributed his possessions to the victims of that plague and of the pagan incursions.<o:p></o:p>

He figures in Mediaeval Welsh poetry, and is regarded as an embodiment of other-worldliness, compassion and humility, all of which are virtues to which it is difficult to attain in such high office as St. Cadwaladr held.<o:p></o:p>

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There is another Cadwaladr who sided with Mathilda against Stephen. He was captured in 1141, and then exiled by his own brother. Interestingly Henry II restored him in 1157 only to be repaid by Cadwaladr by siding with his brother against Henry II when Henry invaded Wales in 1165. Oh the twists of fate!

By the way, nice graphic.

Been away for a few days, and on my return I find my favourite Cadwaladr!!!

Just a shame there isn't much about his private life recorded. Though knowing more about the times he lived in, that is famine, pestilience, plague etc, gives us a good overview.

I think its his humilty in face of adverse events, his surrendering of wealth, that endears me to him, and of course, the fact that Cadwaladr was the last true Briton to rule the United Kingdom (as it was!). There are a few different accounts of his actual death, on pilgrimage, on road to France, even that the plague finally took him as he was tending to the sick. He was no warrior though, not like his father Cadwallon, and many have said it is because of this, the Welsh (Britons)being pushed back into Wales, that an Englishman finally took the crown.

Y Draig Goch (The Welsh Dragon) is the national flag of Wales.

The white -over-green field is in the livery of the Tudors.

It is recorded that the "draco" standards of the Romans were adopted by the Britons. Supposedly used by Arthur, cetainly used by the Wessex Lords of the 700s, the emblem has been used by the Britons up to the present time.

After the Romans left Britain it was used by both Britons and Saxons.

After the Battle of Hastings the battle standard was adopted by the Normans.a dragon standard was taken on the Third Crusade by Richard1. Also used by Henry V at Agincourt and Bosworth. Henry V11 displayed the red dragon of Cadwaladr, from whom he claimed descent, on the Tudor colours of white and green. Until this time it was probably golden.

Battle standard of HenryV11

Today the dragon is the most prominent Welsh symbol. The dragon has always been a symbol of a people, not an individual.

Has there ever been a family tree tracing the alleged descent of the Tudors from Cadwaladr? Just wondering.....I do so enjoy the begats!

And the Cymry are more fun than the English

, plus they acknowledged their bastards as heirs ... - but I mean their begats go back further in historical records ...

ForeverAmber, i've tried in vain to find a family tree, only finding statements acknowledging the lineage. But i'll keep trying! You'll be first to know when i do!!!

Atabekar, (how do you get that little do da over the a??)

Us Cymraeg are a proud and historical nation, but your right, we just LUV a little fun!!! Our begats are a lot of peoples/royalty begats!!

alt +131 ( side #s ) - there's a whole lot there , somewhere ƒ �?�?�?ˆ �?Š Œ Ž �?�?�?�?š œ ž Ÿ ¢ £ , ( from alt : 0120 - 0163 ) ; with â , the name means Father / Bachelor

Will enjoy finding them all out!!!

(Stonehenge, its a code for funny letters etc!)

but I couln't find Þe Þ , which is what I saught so long ! ( It's alt +0222) - GarÞ

Today i've been to my favourite museum, for the umpteenth time!

Lucky coz its only 10 miles from home.

Its set in the beautiful open air setting of St. Fagan's Castle. Over 100 acres of magical recreations of Welsh/Celtic history to present life.

Buildings and houses of all eras covering the last 500 years from around Wales have been re-erected on the site for you to visit. To walk in and out of 15th century churches, watch smithy's at the anvil, to feel what is was like for a peasant to live in one room with their animals for company. The schoolhouse, the watermill, the manor house.......

Then there's the castle itself!

Truly a magical world. I'm sorry that many of you may not be able to visit this beautiful place, so i'll post the link to the museum's website, just so you can get a feel......

Somehow I never thought of huts as being ROUND! Looks like a great place to visit. I think Dee lives in the bowels of history over in Wales! First castles, & now a virtual village!

thank you,dee ,for another great site!! i am having so much fun here tonite, i may not get to sleep!!! maid marion

Greensleeves, yes the huts shown were round, though they also have square ones!

Usually no more than 8ft square, which people and animals shared!

Maid Marion, glad you liked the site, there are many great sites recommended on the threads of AMT. I've spent many a lost hour in the world of our predecessors!

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