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The Dark Ages : Kenelm & His Wicked Sister
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From: ForeverAmber  (Original Message)Sent: 12/13/2002 11:26 AM

Here's a heartwarming family Christmas season tale from the Dark Ages:

Long long ago, when England was divided into several Saxon kingdoms, in the Kingdom of Mercia there was a ruthless woman called Quendreda. She wanted to be Queen of Mercia, but in her way stood her little brother Kenelm.

This wasn't going to stop Quendreda, so she bribed Kenelm's tutor, Askbert, to take Kenelm on a hunting trip to Clent in Worcestershire, far from his home in Winchcombe, and whilst he was there to murder the boy. And so Askbert and Kenelm set out and when they got there Askbert took out his sword to do the ghastly deed. But Kenelm said "This is not the place ordained for you to kill me." and stuck his walking stick in the ground which turned into a thorntree. This would have scared most men, but not Askbert who managed to slice off the boy's head. A dove flew out of the boy's head and flew away. Askbert buried the boy's body and went to tell the triumphant Quendreda of his success.

The dove flew to the Rome and dropped a letter into the lap of the Pope. The message read:

<DIR>

"In Clent cow-pasture under a thorn;

Of head bereft lies Kenelm, king-born."

</DIR>

The Pope sent to England to find what had happened and sure enough the searchers were led to the grave under a thorn by a white cow. When the body was lifted from the grave a light shone and healing water sprang from the ground. The monks of Winchcombe Abbey carried the body back to his home and everywhere they put down the body healing waters sprang. Eventually the bearers brought the body into Winchcombe. Quendreda was standing at her window when they arrived. She swore that "May God blind me, if ever I harmed my brother", whereupon her eyes fell out.

Kenelm was made a Saint and buried at Winchcombe Abbey and Quendreda was executed for her crime. For many hundreds of years pilgrims would come to the town to worship at the Saint's tomb and ask for healing. You can see a coffin, said to be that of Kenelm in Winchcombe Church to this day.



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From: O'hUiginSent: 12/18/2002 12:16 AM
Too many facts related to the Pagan legends of Avalon for me not to think this was a Christian version of that tale.  Again, not sure where Wistchcombe, or whatever is loated, but the story bears a stricking resemblance to the story of how Joseph of Arimithea brought the holy grail to Prydain.  Just food for thought.  It figures the evil character would be a woman. 
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From: ForeverAmber

Here's a heartwarming family Christmas season tale from the Dark Ages:

Long long ago, when England was divided into several Saxon kingdoms, in the Kingdom of Mercia there was a ruthless woman called Quendreda. She wanted to be Queen of Mercia, but in her way stood her little brother Kenelm.

This wasn't going to stop Quendreda, so she bribed Kenelm's tutor, Askbert, to take Kenelm on a hunting trip to Clent in Worcestershire, far from his home in Winchcombe, and whilst he was there to murder the boy. And so Askbert and Kenelm set out and when they got there Askbert took out his sword to do the ghastly deed. But Kenelm said "This is not the place ordained for you to kill me." and stuck his walking stick in the ground which turned into a thorntree. This would have scared most men, but not Askbert who managed to slice off the boy's head. A dove flew out of the boy's head and flew away. Askbert buried the boy's body and went to tell the triumphant Quendreda of his success.

The dove flew to the Rome and dropped a letter into the lap of the Pope. The message read:

<DIR>

"In Clent cow-pasture under a thorn;

Of head bereft lies Kenelm, king-born."

</DIR>

The Pope sent to England to find what had happened and sure enough the searchers were led to the grave under a thorn by a white cow. When the body was lifted from the grave a light shone and healing water sprang from the ground. The monks of Winchcombe Abbey carried the body back to his home and everywhere they put down the body healing waters sprang. Eventually the bearers brought the body into Winchcombe. Quendreda was standing at her window when they arrived. She swore that "May God blind me, if ever I harmed my brother", whereupon her eyes fell out.

Kenelm was made a Saint and buried at Winchcombe Abbey and Quendreda was executed for her crime. For many hundreds of years pilgrims would come to the town to worship at the Saint's tomb and ask for healing. You can see a coffin, said to be that of Kenelm in Winchcombe Church to this day.


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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 12/18/2002 2:25 AM
I detect shades of the Snow White fairy tales here too.

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From: Lady GraceSent: 12/18/2002 9:43 AM
I agree with you both. But didn't Joseph of Aramathea bring the Holy Thorn to Glastonbury Tor (aka Avalon) and plant it there, rather than the Holy Grail?
BTW, anyone else read Marion Zimmer Bradley's "Mists of Avalon" and the prequels/sequels?
Lady Grace.

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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 12/18/2002 10:46 PM
Lady Grace,
YES, I OWN copies of all the Avalon books!  Lady of Avalon is my favorite.
 
I think you may be right about the thorn.  But I remember something about him supposedly bring the grail too.


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From: EchoSent: 12/19/2002 6:23 AM
Why I love the Dark Ages.  The names!  The non-chalant violence!  This story is a goodie...
 
                                     
 
If you tell an untruth in the Dark Ages...your eyes fall out!
 
Interesting speculation on the relation to other stories.  Christianity was yet making a stronghold in Brittian in the Dark Ages and I think the stories (the bigger the better) helped to promote it.  I read "The Mists of Avalon" a few years ago...but it might be worth another look over the holidays.  You all have me wondering what I missed the first time around.

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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 12/19/2002 10:16 AM
If you can't find both prequels to "Mists", at least try to find Lady of Avalon and read that one first then "mists"...the whole thing will make more sense.

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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 12/19/2002 10:21 AM
P.S.  I even have on tape, the "made for TV" movie of Mists of Avalon!   Which is 4 hours long!  (but I think that included some of the commercials)

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From: ForeverAmberSent: 12/21/2002 6:27 AM
Echo.....the eyes.....ROTF.....don't know how I missed this yesterday!

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From: EchoSent: 12/22/2002 5:09 AM
Mists of Avalon on tape?  Hey, was it any good?  Who put it out - maybe A&E?  I'll go on Amazon.com and try to find it, if it's any good.  (I really don't have a lot of time to wade through the books...unfortunately). 

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From: AnnieBmeSent: 12/22/2002 7:43 PM
Echo,
YES YES YES...it is VERY well done and stars Angelica Houston as the Lady of the Lake!    
 
A definate

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