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The Plantagenets : WHAT HAPPENED TO EDWARD II ?
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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1  (Original Message)Sent: 6/23/2002 5:20 AM
Edward I...Was known as, The Hammer of the Scots, also named, The English Justinian, subdued the Welsh, went on crusade....(much more)
 
Edward II... was gay, poor king, got himself assasinated with a hot poker up his butt.
 
Edward III...Many decicive battles, gained much French territory and declared he should be next King of France, begun the Hundred years war, (much more)
 
Now, what the heck happened with Edward II?  Both his father and his son were movers and shakers.  Where did Eddy 2 come from?  What happened?


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From: BerengariaSent: 11/20/2002 11:14 PM
I think it definitely played a strong role in Edward II's deposition & death that he allowed his "favorites", Gaveston and Despenser, to assume such importance in both his personal & public lives.  Certainly it alienated his wife and eldest son on the personal side; on the public side, there was a great deal of outrage amongst the barons at the favors bestowed upon these men and the power Edward allowed them to have in the government despite their lack of qualification.  William Rufus I think was eliminated more on the side of political expediency, as Henry II made no bones about wanting his crown; Richard II was by all accounts devoted to his wife, Anne of Bohemia, and though he was of weak character and driven by revenge instead of common sense, I have never seen reference to him being gay at all.

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From: ScholasticaSent: 11/21/2002 3:03 AM
I recently read a book about the Crusades & it stated that part of the problems between RI & the Philip of France during the 3rd Crusade was b/c their previous homosexual affair had ended badly; not that proves a thing but I had, for some reason, always thought of RI as gay, or maybe bisexual is more appropriate; as for EII, I think his manner of death -- so brillantly acknowlegded in Bosworth's recent picture -- says a lot about his lifestyle; though he did have a bastard . . . maybe Isabella just scared him; of course, the main issues w/EII were political & the power/money/rank he gifted to his favourites . . . James I had the same troubles w/his favourites & there were the same concerns;

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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 11/21/2002 4:18 AM

Now someone jump in here if I forget one....

William I and Richard I were both (blatant?) homosexuals.  This is bad in a king because their primary responsibility is to beget an heir and if they refuse to do so (as in the case with these two) they have failed in one of the primary functions of a monarch.

Edward II and James I were most likely bi-sexual (both produced heirs, so what the heck)!



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From: GreensleevesSent: 11/21/2002 5:36 AM
More that didn't produce heirs:
 
William III, Mary II, Anne; also all said to be bisexual.  Not that they didn't give it the old college try!

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From: ScholasticaSent: 11/22/2002 2:41 AM
I didn't know Mary II & Anne were gay; WIII doesn't surprise me . . . not one of my favourite monarchs -- I have a bit of the Irish in me; I didn't know about WI but I do think WII was considered gay; I guess when you are the monarch you can do whatever you want w/whomever you want; an interesting slant there -- you always think of the queen having the responsibility to secure the throne & I seemed to have forgotten that she needs some help, from someone, to be successful; silly me

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From: ForeverAmberSent: 11/22/2002 10:29 AM
No, no, Stonehenge just had a typo, I'm sure she meant William Rufus (II not I).

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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 11/22/2002 11:08 AM
TYPO ALERT!!!
 
I'm sorry folks....It certainly should have been Willy 2

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From: Anne of ClevesSent: 11/23/2002 4:17 AM
I never imagined Queen Anne being gay or bi.... poor kid was pregnant 18 times.... and was basically an invalid due to her numerous pregnancies.  I think like 13 were stillborn, and 5 died too young.

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From: MSN Nicknamekioti77Sent: 11/23/2002 6:24 AM
Queen Anne gay?? i never would have thought..considering her bazaar life..poor girl. amazing what one learns here....

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From: Sleepy ElfSent: 11/23/2002 11:09 AM
I didnt know about Anne being gay, but Ive heard about Mary II..is it true that the English nickname for a lesbian a "lemon" came from Mary Beatrice's nickname for Mary after she married William of Orange?

On the Point of Edward II, I have often wondered why after a strong rule, you tend to get anarchy..Henry I was followed by Stephen, after Stephen there was Henry II ...then we had Richard who was never here...then the chaos of John....Henry III was followed by the far stronger reign of Edward I...who was followed by Edward II, then came the stronger Edward III...then Richard II who was deposed by Henry IV, Henry V was a strong King...and then there was poor Henry VI...has anyone else noticed this?
Good point about Edward II maybe not being Edward Is son...but Edward III had the strength of his grandfather....so there must have been some genes there...although his mother was pretty strong-willed....

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From: Lady GraceSent: 11/23/2002 11:13 PM
I think any rumours about Queen Anne being gay would probably have started due to her very close friendship with Sarah Churchill. Her husband John won various battles as a general for the Crown and was made Duke of Marlborough - the couple were the ancestors of Winston Churchill. Anyway, Anne and Sarah were incredibly close, with Sarah very clearly the dominant partner - apparently, she was fairly overbearing and unbearable! - but both husbands seemed happy with the relationship and, has been pointed out, Anne certainly did her dynastic duty (as did Sarah).
Sarah had initially been close to both sisters, Anne and Mary, but moved closer to Anne after Mary married William - a much stronger character than Anne's husband, Greorge of Denmark.
From The Lives of the Kings and Queens of England, ed. Antonia Fraser:
"Her passionate affection for Sarah Churchill, the future Duchess of Marlborough (this at the beginning of Anne's reign), which began before she was married, was to give her (Anne) much pleasure and later much pain. Sarah's voluminous writings have been largely relied upon by Anne's biographers as a basis for assessing her character, but it has to be remembered that what Sarah recorded was chiefly written after they has quarrelled. ... Sarah had given birth to four very healthy daughters which made her feel very supierior to Anne, whom she treated with some condescension. ... When Anne became Queen she wrote to Sarah, whom she appointed Mistress of the Robes: 'We four must never part until death mows us down with his impatial hand.' ... Her alienation from Sarah, which had begun not long after her accession owing to Sarah's haughty attitude to her as Queen, was increased by the fact Sarah absented herself from Court for long periods and devoted herself to pro-Whig propaganda. ... At the beginning of 1711 Anne dismissed Sarah from all her offices after some painful scenes and at the end of the year Marlborough was also dismissed. Anne died on August 1, 1714, still perplexed by the extingencies of party politics."
Lady Grace.

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From: RhiannonSent: 11/24/2002 3:38 AM
i have been trying to follow this thread but am a bit confused, could someone enlighten me on Queen Anne's story.
 
rhiannon
 

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From: Sleepy ElfSent: 11/25/2002 3:58 PM
Actually I had heard of the delightful Sarahs claims that Anne was a lesbian with her new friend Abigail Hill....all seems to be a bit of bitchy talk without much claim though, especially as Anne was dedicated to George of Denmark.

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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 10/11/2004 5:25 PM
bump, bump, bump
 

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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 7/5/2006 3:27 AM
bump, bump, bump

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