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From: ForeverAmber  (Original Message)Sent: 6/25/2002 8:38 AM
DATELINE: LONDON
June 25, 1483
 
Meeting at Westminster, Parliament decided that Richard, Duke of Gloucester, Lord Protector of the Realm, should be asked to assume the throne in lieu of his nephew, Edward V.  They had decided that whether or not Edward VI & Elizabeth Woodville had been legally wed due to a prior precontract on the late king's part, the Lord Protector was a member of the hereditary heirs to the crown; his capacity to wear the crown was high; & that his assumption of the throne was infinitely preferable to a regency in which the detested Woodvilles would hold the reins of power.  A deputation led by Richard's most vocal supporter, Buckingham, went to Baynard' s Castle to present a petition asking him to rule.  Following acceptance, the new king rode with them back to Westminster where he took the oath of allegiance, becoming my dearly beloved   Richard III!   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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From: ForeverAmberSent: 8/22/2002 5:46 AM
How time flies.....ah, Dickon, we hardly knew ye!
 
DATELINE: MARKET BOSWORTH
AUGUST 22, 1485
 

Remember before God

RICHARD III
King of England

and those that fell
at Bosworth Field
having kept faith

Loyaulte me lie

 

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From: ForeverAmberSent: 8/22/2002 5:55 AM
I proclaim today a community day of mourning.....
 
        

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From: atabekârSent: 9/3/2002 9:37 PM
I just read up on Richard iii rd  : He seems to be highly qualified to rule ; ironically  , what  I read insinuated that Edward v might have been made ill by his brother , which I believe was the actual cause of their death , though I think Richard wanted and ordered their death , which , if they had been with their mother , still would have come ... But Richard seems a bit impulsive - like much of the Norman / Planteginet lines ...

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From: ForeverAmberSent: 9/6/2002 6:18 AM
I'd love to know more about how the Princes were supposedly ill, as I have always thought that if the Tudors didn't do away with them, perhaps there was an element of natural causes involved in their deaths & it was hushed up so no one would get blamed for it!  Can you elaborate?

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From: atabekârSent: 9/6/2002 8:58 PM
Well , the book I read quickly noted in passing that Richard , who had been with his mother was " very ill " - and that one of the scelatons found burried under the stairs showed signs of having probably having had some sort of infection , which could have been caused by the current "plague " running through England , the hasty , secret  burrial , the slow withdrawl of the princes , rather than sudden dissappearance - with the author - Giles St. Aubyn , "The Year  of Three Kings : 1483 " , now that I remeber - giving out the suggestion hisself , but briefly , but only because , I think , he rightly expected Richard iii wanted them dead ( I believe whoever was sent to murder them infact found them dead , and quickly burried them ) .

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From: ForeverAmberSent: 9/6/2002 9:06 PM
Very interesting, I shall have to look around & see if I can't find the book; thanks for the title & the elaboration.  Since the contemporary rumor of the Princes' demise was quashed by Richard III trotting them up to the Tower from Sherriff Hutton, & since we all know what a rabid Ricardian I can be lol, I wonder if they lingered on just long enough to get into the Tudor reign.  It would have to be plague or some sort of virus in order for them to die close enough to the same time to be buried together, & not something more commonplace like consumption.  Methinks I smell Sir James Tyrrell in all this?

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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 9/7/2002 2:47 AM
I still think Margaret Beaufort had something to do with it all

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From: MSN NicknameWillowCircleSent: 2/23/2005 8:12 AM
Several years ago I heard of a book called "The Tyrrell Papers" published from exerpts of a manuscript supposedly found in an overlooked archive that purported to be the private papers of Sir James Tyrrell and possibly his family predating the time Henry VII decided to get him out of the way.  I believe it was written about in a Ricardian publican about 8 or 9 years ago, but could be mistaken.  It always sounded interesting and possibly illuminating, and I'm sorry I didn't get it at the time, since I have been unable to locate it since.  Does anyone know anything about this?

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