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| | | From: ForeverAmber (Original Message) | Sent: 6/28/2002 5:43 PM |
I would hazard a guess that it is pretty clear to everyone that my favorite of all the Plantagenet monarchs would have to be Richard III! Just cuz he was a damn fine king & didn't get a fair shake, either in life or in the pages of history books. Dickon, we hardly knew ye!  But I was curious.....any other Ricardians out there? Or is someone else your favorite Plantagenet? If so, tell us who, & why! |
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Ok, you are just making stuff up because you have nothing left to say!!! "Possibly illegitimate"? For one, had you ever seen a picture of Richard, Duke of York, there is a striking facial resemblance between him & his youngest son. For two, don't you be dissin' Dickon's mama now! For three, the whole family was kissin' cousins, so if by slender chance Cecily WAS steppin' out on Dick, her mother was a BEAUFORT! Descended from John of Gaunt every bit as much as Henry VII. Um....WHAT later Plantagenet kings are you talking about??? There ARE none! The Tudors exsanguinated every drop of blood LEFT in the White Rose. |
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Well, Richard the III was considered "illegitimate" by many because of the children he had locked up in the tower...and others of the royal family who were consider in line to the throne... Illegitimate as in the other meaning. Later Plantagenants (knowing Richard III was last) meant those after Henry II that were not pumped up by notoriety as Richard III had in Shakespear's characterization and the like. Henry II was an important king...the most important of the Plantagenants for the reasons stated above. -Methinks |
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Again, you are incorrect......that is more Tudor propaganda which you have swallowed whole & digested! Richard was VOTED in by Parliament because he was the ONLY ADULT MALE directly in line for the throne.....all the other heirs were CHILDREN. The English did not WANT another protracted regency.....they had had enough of that with Henry VI. There were NO contemporary mutterings about either usurpation OR the Princes in the Tower.....NONE. You are not up on your Shakespearean drama if you think Richard III was the only king about whom he wrote a play.....go to http://www.shakespeare.com/FirstFolio/ & then tell me such utter nonsense! |
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Greetings, one and all! As a fellow Ricardian, I just have to say, bravo, ForeverAmber! |
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| | | From: Eddy | Sent: 7/10/2002 12:43 PM |
Well on balance I'd have to go with Henry II; a much more durable legacy, vastly longer reign, more territory controlled, and even the murder was both more entertaining and understandable. |
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LOL! I'll give ya that one, Eddy; you can't beat those Angevins for sheer entertainment value!  Anyone else have a choice of favorite that isn't either the first or the last Plantagenet monarch? |
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I'll vote for Edward III - a great time for England, at least in the middle of his reign, with wins at the Battles of Crecy and Poitiers. In a reign of such length it stands to reason he flagged at the end - and what a glorious beginning, shaking off the heritage of his father and the grasping hands of his mother (our favourite "She Wolf!") and her lover Mortimer! The reign had the rise of chivalry, Chaucer, the Black Prince and John of Gaunt (the plague can't be blamed on him!). Anyone agree/disagree? Lady Grace |
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Ok, leaving my nice Richard out of it entirely.....Edward III has some validity as Lady Grace has pointed out. But if I had to pick one other than RIII, I would have to go with Edward I just for sheer ruthlessness. Longshanks took guff from no one! Not only did he completely subjugate the Welsh & the Scots, manipulating leadership & policy there as well as military conquest; he also reorganized Henry II's administrative offices & revamped the justice system in England. He reaffirmed Magna Carta, hung on to the Plantagenet lands in France, & embarked on a castle-building spree the likes of which has never been seen! And as I have mentioned in the Royal Book of Records.....quelle homme!  |
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Edward III's most monumental contribution to history could be said to be his prolific nature which ultimately gave us, the ever popular, "Wars of the Roses"! But whether siting that or his beginning the "Hundred Years War" (which was actually 116 years).....his was certainly a memorable reign! |
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Amber, Another Ricardian checking in. |
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| Another vote for Edward III, dealing with Mortimer AND his mother was one brave step, he was leaps and bounds better than his father as I think all would agree. |
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I'd probably vote for Edward III first, but to throw in another name, I'll say Henry V. He was a headstrong, shrewd tactician (militarily and politicaly). His greatest military victory being the battle of Agincourt. Plus he got French King Charles VI to accept him as his heir! Way to go! I wonder if things would have been different if he had outlived Charles to become King of France too? |
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I'll go with Henry V as well and not just because Shakespeare did him good..Judy | | | |
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Remember Margaret of York whom married Henry VII that is a contiuation of the of Plantagenet line as well The whole War of the Roses was a great family feud and has changed the face of English monarchy for good, ie the Germans!!!!! even thought I am decended from the Angivan and Plantagenet Kings I still wonder what would happen it the War of the Roses never took place. By the way, Richard III was a great King even though his reign was not long and the spector of the two princes in the tower loomed over his head, alot has to be chalked up to Tudor and Shakespearean Propaganda. He did alot for civil government and monetary reforms. As many are agaianst him there are many more for him. Rick Nuttall |
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Rick...I think you mean ELIZABETH of York, not Margaret. You are thinking of Margaret Beaufort. Margaret was Henry VII's MOTHER, not his wife. They were ALL Plantagenets one way or another (right AND wrong side of the blanket that is  ). Bottom line of the Wars of the Roses is that Edward III had tooooo many children who survived infancy, grew up and had families of thier own...all with varying degrees to be able to claim the throne! |
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