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The Plantagenets : Alison Weir "The Princes In The Tower"
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From: MSN Nicknamesilentsilverscreen  (Original Message)Sent: 6/29/2006 12:41 AM
I've just been scanning this book. It's completely biased and the author has decided Richard III is guilty from page 1 and she ignores all evidence to the contrary whilst giving weight to that which is at best circumstantial.
 
In her eyes if Thomas More said it, then it must be true. Never mind the fact he was only 5 years old at the time of the events, was brought up under the tutelage of Bishop Morton, Richard's arch enemy, a lot of the things he wrote were hearsay and he was writing to please a Tudor king. Much good it him....
 
Anybody else read it?


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From: GreensleevesSent: 7/2/2006 6:10 PM
I like Weir's style, but a Ricardian she is definitely NOT.  She's got a bad case of total bias against everything & anything about RIII

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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5Sent: 7/2/2006 8:35 PM
At the risk of going over old ground, I entirely agree with her conclusions.

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From: MSN NicknameAussieAngelMFSent: 7/3/2006 9:16 AM
It's a pity that she's so prejudiced against Richard. So many people seem to be.... I have no opinion, though of wether Richard is guilty or innocent

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From: MSN NicknameReplacedJudymarSent: 7/3/2006 12:03 PM
Its all speculation, but most people don't realize there are others who could have done the dastardly deed!

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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 7/5/2006 2:10 AM
I've done quite a bit of research into the issue of the Princes and who may have killed them.  Although there is nothing absolutely conclusive, I tend to genuinely believe that it was Margaret Beaufort (Henry VII's mother) who was the culprit.
 
We have a thread which has some informative posts called:
 
 
(click on that thread title and it is a hotlink directly to the thread)

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From: MSN NicknameReplacedJudymarSent: 7/5/2006 12:20 PM
I agree with Margaret Beaufort as having the princes done away with.....

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From: MSN NicknamesilentsilverscreenSent: 8/14/2006 4:01 PM
I've always leaned towards the Duke Of Buckingham being one who ordered the murders. I think Sharon Penman got it right in The Sunne In Splendour, though one must always bear in mind that she was writing a historical novel, not a history book. Nevertheless I think she draws a logical and sustainable conclusion.

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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5Sent: 9/3/2006 11:21 AM
According to Alison Weir today is the most likely day for the murders of the Princes in the Tower; 3 September 1483.

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From: MSN NicknamedzhistorySent: 9/6/2006 4:44 AM
Yes I read it and I agree with you, she is totally biased against Richard.  I do have very strong feelings about his guilt, but you are right, she takes whatever More says and implies it as fact.

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From: BerengariaSent: 9/17/2006 5:57 PM
I've not read this particular book, so I'd like to ask Mark why Weir thinks she can apply a specific calendar date to this?

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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5Sent: 9/17/2006 8:15 PM
She's working on the assumption the murderer was Sir James Tyrell acting under Richard's orders. It is known that Tyrell left York for London on 30 August to collect robes and wall-hangings for the investiture of Richard's son Edward as Prince of Wales, scheduled for 8 September in York. He probably took four days to complete the journey, arriving in London on 3 September. He would have to have left on the return journey the next day in order to be back in York by 8 September. Therefore the evening of 3 September is the most likely date. This is purely her own theory, if you reject Tyrell as the killer then it all falls apart. 

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