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Methinks she is related to so many people that it's even more than playing 6 Degrees of Henry VIII!

Mary's French relatives

Claud, Duke of Guise*				=	Antoinette de Bourbon*
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1) Francis, Duke of Guise	2) Louise	3) Charles, Cardinal of Lorraine	4) Claud, Duke of Aumale	5) Mary of Guise	6) Louis, Bishop of Troyes	7) Antoinette, Abbess of Faremoutiers		8) Francis, Grand Prior General of the Galleys	9) René, Marquis d'Elboeuf	10) Renée, Abbess of St Peter, Rheims

1. Louis, Duke of Longueville			=	Mary of Guise		=		2. James V of Scotland
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1) Francis, Duke of Longueville		2) Louis (d.1537)			1) James (d.1541)		2) Robert (d.1541)		3) Mary, Queen of Scots

* Claud and Antoinette had another two dead newborn sons.

Mary's Scottish Relatives

James IV of Scotland = Margaret Tudor

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Janet Stewart, Lady Fleming (illegitimate) James V of Scotland

1. Princess Madeleine

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James V of Scotland

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2. Mary of Guise

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1) James (d.1541)
2) Robert (d.1541) 3) Mary, Queen of Scots

Illegitimate Children of James V:

John, Prior of Coldingham

Adam, Prior of Charter House

Robert, Prior of Whithorn

Jean, Countess of Argyll

Margaret Stewart

James, Commendator of Melrose

Lord James Stewart, Earl of Moray (left)

James Stewart

Robert, Commendator of Holyrood

Mary's English Relatives

Henry VII of England

Elizabeth of York

1) Henry VIII of England*

2) Mary

3) Margaret Tudor**

1) Catherine of Aragon

2) Anne Boleyn

3) Jane Seymour

Henry VIII

1) James IV

Margaret Tudor

2) Archibald 6th Earl of Angus

Mary Tudor

Elizabeth I

Edward VI

James V of Scotland

Lady Margaret Douglas

Mary of Guise

James V of Scotland

Matthew Stewart, 4th Earl of Lennox

Lady Margaret Douglas

1) Henry Stewart, Lord Darnley

2) Charles Stewart, Earl of Lennox

Mary, Queen of Scots

Henry Stewart, Lord Darnley

Charles Stewart

Elizabeth Cavendish

James VI of Scotland

Arabella Stuart

* Henry VIII had another 3 wives after Jane Seymour.

** Margaret Tudor had a third husband, Henry Stewart, Earl of Methven

Hehe.... anyone care to play??

I wasn't aware James and Mary of Guise had two boys before Mary, who both died in 1541 - can anyone tell me if this was through plague or accident?

The second son, Robert, Duke of Albany, died aged two days, so it's reasonable to assume he was a victim of the infant mortality of the day. The two boys were born only 11 months apart. The elder, James, died just shy of his 1st birthday, not long after the newborn's demise. It's not recorded of what, but letters from Antoinette de Bourbon to her daughter ascribe the baby's death to "overfeeding"! Poison was also rumored, as well as James V's sins being visited upon his children. Mary's second son by her first husband also died shortly after birth, so there may be a genetic thing in play here as well. Only 2 of her 5 children survived to maturity, & only MQOS made it out of her teens, as Francis de Longueville died unexpectedly of the generic "fever" (probably some virulent virus) at age 16 during Mary of Guise's last visit to France.

Infant mortality was so high back then, especially with nobles for a variety of reasons.

Mothers had babies in quick sucession, which was extremely unhealthy for both, and could have resulted in many deaths. Since the royal mothers or other high-born didn't breast-feed, their bodies never really had a chance to fully recover from the birth and previous pregnancy before they were pushed into another.

VERY poor hygiene during the birth, as well as lack of knowlege

The babies, especially boys, being over-indulged, fed unsuitable food for their ages, and were kept in rooms that really didn't allow much air or light in (especially in the case of baby Edward VI), as well as possible lack of hygeine in the castles and nurseries.

And remember what James V said when hearing his wife had a girl? "It began with a lass, it shall end with a lass".

It's amazing at the "greetings" some of these royal girls get when they entered the world!!

Well, he was right, though! The Stuart line DID begin & end with "a lass"; the last one just wasn't Mary! They started with Marjorie Stewart & ended with Queen Anne.

Well, MQOS was the last independent ruler of Scotland.

However, I am sure he'd be proud of his grandson for inheriting England.

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