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The Stuarts : Squinting Betty
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From: Anne of Cleves  (Original Message)Sent: 3/11/2003 4:09 AM
I've read a lot of conflicting stories about Elizabethe de Villiers and William III... I've read she was his long-term mistress, I've read that she was basically a sort of "spy" in his court, and both.
 
I read in Williams Mary about how he was caught coming from her chamber  by a very irate Mary, standing there in her nightdress and he explained what didn't happen, and how she was never a threat to Mary's happiness again.
 
I read in another source online that she was indeed William's mistress... yet does anyone know if by chance he had any children by her?  I can't imagine he did, he seemed more fascinated with wars than amours.  Besides, the way he was said to have carried on after Mary's death was like a man who lost his best friend and his life long love... esp since he never married again, and could have probably easily annulled his marriage to her when it was found she could never have children again, yet he stayed with her anyways.
 
Anyone have any other info on this?


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From: Sleepy ElfSent: 3/14/2003 3:11 PM
Although Mary tried to get rid of Betty a number of times either by pleading with William and trying to have her detained in England, William only left Betty after Marys death.  She later married and had children almost straight away although I dont think she was ever recorded as having any with William.
We can only presume that William was happy with his lot with mary, well happy enough not to divorce Mary.  He loved her and she grew to love him, as he admitted he could have doen a lot worse, he was supposed to have remarked that if he had married Anne, he wouldve been the "most unhappy man in the world".  What if he had divorced her as her miscarriage meant hs eoculd have no more children, but then his new wife didnt give him any either?  That would have got embarrasing for him.  Maybe he  thought the problem was with him too, maybe he didnt, but what is clear though, even if he did marry Mary for her crown, he grew to love her and having a mistress was very common-it didnt mean he thought less of Mary just because he refused to give up Betty. 

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From: GhislaineSent: 3/14/2003 7:48 PM
Ok, I'll bite.....what's the reason for her going down in history with such a hideous nickname as "Squinting Betty"?  I have heard Mary really didn't mind William having a mistress as she had a "special friend" of her own.  I've also heard that William got rid of the mistress after Mary's death & also had his own "special friend".  Supposedly they suited so well as they were both bisexual?

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From: Anne of ClevesSent: 3/15/2003 2:57 AM
Apparently, when she talked, she squinted more than people deemed necessary!

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