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From: MSN NicknameGilly_Loves_Pie  (Original Message)Sent: 2/15/2005 6:11 PM
I heard that both James 1 and Charles 1 were botth having gay affairs with the Duke of Buckingham is this True? Also was this one of the causes of the English Civil war? 


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From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 2/16/2005 6:13 AM
While there is some speculation on James I being, at least, bi-sexual (he DID have 8 children by his Queen!).  I do not recall Charles I, as being accused of being either gay or bi.

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From: judymarSent: 2/17/2005 12:20 AM
 I have read that Charles was jealous of the attention his father gave the Duke of Buckingham, and I think Charles and the Duke did become sort of friends after the death of James, but never did I read it was a homo-sexual relationship, on the other hand, James and the Duke were an item, and not just friends! I also never read anything about that being the cause of the civil war. Though, the Duke was executed, but for what I don't know. Judy

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From: MSN NicknameScreedyJeanSent: 2/17/2005 10:54 AM

By my understanding, James did tend to get crushes on young men, including the duke of Buckingham, though how physical these relationships were is impossible to know.  He did seem to be very fond of his wife too, so my guess is he was bi-sexual by nature, whatever his practices.

Charles I though, is a completely different matter.  His friendship with the Duke of Buckingham was just that, although it was Buckingham, older, more adventurous and charismatic, who dominated it.  As I recall, Charles�?/FONT> wife, Henrietta Maria hated Buckingham for his influence on her husband, but I�?/FONT>m sure there was no homosexual relationship there.  Charles was respectable to the point of prudery, and no hint of scandal ever attached to his name (apart from one lapse in judgement in his youth when he and Buckingham went to Spain in disguise in an abortive attempt to woo the Infanta and were a little too adventurous for the formal Spanish court).

Judy, you�?/FONT>re right that Buckingham had nothing whatever to do with the causes of the Civil War, which were all to do with Charles�?/FONT> inability to compromise over his own rights and powers, and in particular who controlled and paid for the army.  In fact Buckingham was assassinated by a Puritan extremist, John Felton, in 1628, and the Civil War did not break out till 1642.  After the assassination, Buckingham�?/FONT>s son (another wild and charismatic character) was brought up with Charles I�?/FONT>s own children and became a great friend (and later trouble) of the future Charles II.

Jean

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From: MSN NicknameGilly_Loves_PieSent: 2/18/2005 3:54 PM
Yes i didn't particually think as much. It was apparantly all rumour and just a scandle sent around by parliament to turn the people against Charles. Other things included saying that Charles was asecret Catholic.
Thanks for your views guys

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From: MSN NicknameScreedyJeanSent: 2/19/2005 10:18 AM
Yes? I don’t remember ever reading that Parliament accused Charles of
homosexuality �?what have I missed?

I’m sure you’re right though that accusations of secret Roman
Catholicism are completely unfounded, though to give Parliament the
benefit of the doubt, Charles�?stubborn attachment to the “high�?rituals
of the Church of England may have appeared to Puritans as an attachment
to Catholic practices. But to be honest, I think Charles was far too
concerned with his own Divine Right to acknowledge any superiority of
the Pope’s!

His wife, of course, was very much a Roman Catholic, and she was not
above trying to convert her children, most of whom seem to have become
Catholics before they died. Even Charles�?sister, Elizabeth the “Winter
Queen�?of Bohemia, feared the influence of Henrietta Maria on her own
children, though possibly for political and financial as much as for
personal reasons �?her son had to remain Protestant to have any hope of
being restored to his patrimony in Germany, and the Protestant Estates
of Holland, who were supporting her huge family in exile, might have
withdrawn their backing in response to any Catholic “taint�? But I seem
to be wandering from the point �?sorry!

Jean

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