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| | | From: Greensleeves (Original Message) | Sent: 12/31/2005 11:40 AM |
TDIH Charles Edward Louis John Casimir Silvester Maria Stuart aka "Bonnie Prince Charlie" was born in Rome to the "Old Pretender", James Francis Stuart, & his fabulously rich wife (is there any other kind for a king without a country?  ), Clementina Sobieski.....& then there was Culloden  Soooo.....what made the kid pick the Stuart standard & hurry off to Scotland? William III kicked grandpa James IIs behind at the Battle of the Boyne....Charlie's father dithered around so ineffectively in "the '15" that he was cordially invited to pack his bags & go home....Parliament cordially invited the Hanoverians to wear the crown....the handwriting was on the wall here....NO MORE STUARTS TYVM! |
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No Stuarts on the throne, but there are Stuarts still here, by blood and marriage, I am one, by both, but however, when one does not keep his place on the throne, watches his people and care for them, one loses his throne. I am not certain the Hanoverians were any better, but I know that, when you take on a throne you are the servant of the people........bet no one ever thought of that before. Royalscot |
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Probably not LOL especially Charles I with his "divine right" stance. From a historical persepective one can look back & see how clearly doomed both the '15 & the '45 were, but neither of these Jacobite risings needed to come about....Anne had secretly offered her half-brother James the throne after her son William died, if James would convert to Protestantism. Now Charles II promised the Covenanters the moon, sun, & stars if they would assist him in regaining the throne. He didn't follow through on it, of course, but he was willing to go to any religious lengths for the Restoration. Both his brother & his nephew clung to their Catholicism instead of taking a line from Henry IV of France who had done the opposite, with his "Paris is worth a Mass". There could have been a peaceful transition of power with the crown remaining in the Stuart line had the Old Pretender taken his sister up on her offer. This was not a sound political decision, but an irrational religious one....clearly Parliament & the English people would not stand for a Catholic monarch. I think James enjoyed his indolent Roman existence living off his wife's fortune far more than he wanted the British crown, & I think Bonnie Charlie (who was extrremely young in 1745) saw pursuit of the throne as more of a romantic adventure than anything else. |
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PS> Haven't a clue, Mark...got any more hints? |
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