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From: MSN Nicknameterrilee62  (Original Message)Sent: 5/27/2008 2:11 PM
I found this neat portrait at another chat room that I haunt!  It's by an artist named Elena Flerova - and it's interesting to try to decipher all the images in this painting.  Any thoughts?
 
 
 
 


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From: GreensleevesSent: 5/27/2008 8:10 PM
LOL  Is that supposed to be Elzabeth as the viper in her bosom?

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From: MSN NicknametudorgalusaSent: 5/27/2008 10:01 PM
Being a Tarot reader, I am heavy into symbolism.  So here goes...
 
The web of pink roses, at least that's what it looks like, of course would mean all the intrigue and danger.
 
Elizabeth's picture at her solar plexis area, the root of fear and jealousy, which Elizabeth was to Mary and vice versa.
 
White horse with Red Rose, the fact that they were both excellant riders and maybe the fact that Elizabeth wanted Leicester to marry Mary and he was Master of Horse.
 
The Lion in Mary's hand, the english Tudor lion, her greediness for the English throne and lions are the main symbol for royalty.
 
The lute with the sword with it, could symbolize how Mary's enjoyments and voice was stifled during her imprisonment in England.
 
The knight aiming for the mermaid,  could indicate Mary's affects on men (siren type) and how they betrayed her. 
 
The suit of armor without the top of it's head to me signifies her imprisonment, the plots that surrounded her and the indecision by Elizabeth of what to do with Mary.
 
Also, look at how her left hand is in a red glove, and part of her arm is blacked out.  Wasn't red the color for a Catholic martyr?  Was Mary left handed, this could mean many things if she were.  The implications over the Casket letters and her passion for her faith and her own royalty, the blood she shed.  One half of her is white and one half is red and black.  The Tudor rose colors red and white.  And the fact that she was one of the first to wear white to her wedding and red at her beheading.
 
Of course it is all opinion, but fun to decifer!  Seem to be many more images to ponder but the picture is not real clear once you print it.  The finer details get lost.  Thanks for the challenge.
 
 Tudor

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From: MSN Nicknameterrilee62Sent: 5/28/2008 1:50 PM
I did find out that  if you Google the artist's name you can see her gallery. 
 
I noticed the fleur-de-lis right away on her white skirt.  Also the sword is piercing a broken lute, I think.  Symbol of David Riccio, maybe?  The  mermaid probably refers to the placards condemning Mary for her complicity in the death of Darnley.
 
The red lion is a symbol of Scotland, at least on the Scottish Royal Coat of Arms.  I found a Wiki article that showed MQOS' coat of arms with the red lion and the fleur-de-lis together.  The English lion is gold.

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From: MSN NicknameReplacedJudymarSent: 5/28/2008 9:48 PM
Please, where is the red lion?

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From: MSN NicknameDylandorSent: 5/29/2008 3:26 AM
She is holding the red lion in her hand

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From: GreensleevesSent: 5/30/2008 2:37 AM
I'm totally missing the mermaid
 
Are those scorpions on the armor shoulder?  Mary was a Sagittarius....hmmm.  Mixed in with the fleur de lis, which I took as a symbol of the Auld Alliance & her marriage into France, there's something that looks sort of like an astrological symbol but I can't place it atm.
 
O DUHHHH....that's the mermaid not a scorpion LOL
 
How about the black leaves on her skirt?
 
What is coming out of the armor's head?

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From: MSN Nicknameterrilee62Sent: 5/30/2008 1:27 PM
Don't feel bad Greensleeves, it took me a while to see that it was a mermaid as well.  The mermaids on the placards in Edinborough look much different than the Disney-type mermaids we automatically think of now!  (At least I do, my daughter loved Ariel when she was little!!)
 
                                                                                       
 
I think there are men-at-arms coming out of the suit of armor's head!  Makes me think of all the plots to rescue her by the different groups. 
 
I was suprised that there isn't more religious symbolism in this portrait. 

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