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From: MSN NicknameGingerthewriter  (Original Message)Sent: 9/19/2007 12:15 PM
How would a woman be defined as beautiful in the Tudor court/age, and where can we trace it to? I know in the Elizabethean age, women tried to emulate Elizabeth's looks and that nasty face paint came into vogue.
Does anyone have any good research books on the topic of Tudor Beauty, (or medieval beauty) or any thoughts on the subject?
Ginger


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From: MSN Nicknameterrilee62Sent: 9/21/2007 2:57 PM
Weeell, that's an interesting question.  Certainly our 21st century standards of beauty don't match up with the Tudor standards.  It's hard to judge the 6 wives, because their portraits vary widely - and there are some that we aren't truly sure who the subject of the portrait is. 
I know that Anne Boleyn went against the standard for beauty in England - she had dark hair, dark eyes and sallow skin.  Therefore, we could suppose that blue-eyed milk-skinned blondes were the height of beauty.  However, three women from early to late Tudor years that held the claim of great beauty would be Elizabeth Wydville, Mary Rose Tudor and Mary Queen of Scots, and of the three, only Elizabeth had the true golden hair.  But they all had beautifully shaped eyes (even if they don't look blue), great style of dress (we would call it 'chic') and beautiful white skin, in particular hands with long fingers.
 
(I believe that the nasty face paint you referenced to was to both keep the appearance of white skin & cover smallpox pits & scars.)
 
Here's Elizabeth Wydville, Edward IV's queen and the grandmother of Henry VIII and Mary Rose
 
 
 
And Mary Rose Tudor, onetime queen of France and later duchess of Suffolk (the large bearish man is her husband Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk!)
 
And the young Mary Queen of Scots and Dauphine of France (her later portraits seem to have been influenced by the politics of the artist)
 
If you haven't been, I'd suggest you visit our AMT Picture gallery - many many portraits of Tudor folk there.
 
terrilee

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From: GreensleevesSent: 10/2/2007 2:29 AM
To modern eyes, Anne of Cleves really is rather nice-looking, but apparently not to Henry's jaundiced gaze   We have quite a bit of fun mocking Jane Seymour's chinless state LOL but apparently Henry found her to be hot tamales   Lettice Knollys was adjudged to be a great beauty in her day, but I do believe the Elizabethan standard was a bit prejudiced toward redheads, considering they wanted to suck up to the queen & all.  Here's Lettice (who was actually Mary Boleyn's granddaughter):
 
 

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From: GreensleevesSent: 10/2/2007 2:31 AM
Can you see Mary B in her with those wide-set eyes, btw?
 
 

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From: MSN Nicknamemanxie400Sent: 11/5/2007 5:53 PM
I was reading the women used lead and vinegar to make that awful looking paste they wore.
Not only did they get the affected 'look'..but can you imagine the 'aroma' that followed them...lol
 

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From: GreensleevesSent: 11/9/2007 2:16 AM
  LOL
 
Plus they got lead poisoning from it

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From: MSN NicknametudorgalusaSent: 1/2/2008 8:47 PM
I have also read in my numerous books on the Tudors that the women would pluck their hairline to get the look of a high forehead.
 
I do believe the lead paint (white effect) was so Elizabeth could emmulate the look of the Virgin Mary statues that were in the churches so she could be looked up to as above humanity.
 
There are many interpretations to the "Beauty" of the time. 
 
Also many of the portraits were a stylised version and most painters of the day were inclined to portray people in a kinder light than most would look.
 
Consider the pratice of not bathing or dental care.  How good could they really look!
 
To my eyes they are all interesting and beautiful.
 
Tudorgalusa

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From: MSN NicknameDylandorSent: 1/27/2008 4:13 PM
In my opinion, after visiting the National Portrait Gallery...Holbein was the best painter of the time to accurately portray what people actually looked in the Tudor court in the time of Henry VIII

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