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From: MSN NicknameT-o-r-s-t-e-n  (Original Message)Sent: 5/30/2008 3:13 PM
Ok, so Jeremy Bentham was, like John Locke, an English philosopher who maybe in ways echoed Locke's ideas on self-reliance yet promoted social welfare.  In any event, while John Locke lived in the 1600s and died in the 1700s, Bentham lived in the 1700s and died in the 1800s, and so he's a natural extension of Lost's Locke's spirit, chronologically. 
 
I suspect Locke had assumed the name Jeremy Bentham--or perhaps the island did it for him--upon his re-entry to the real world since they were supposed to be no other survivors, in an effort among Jack & Co. to 'protect them' (and the island), opposed to the idea that Bentham was his real name all along.  But what I am more curious about is whether Locke was ever his real name, or was it mere coincidence, but by virtue of that chance the island, or Locke, selected the Bentham name just to be coy and cute. 
 
But stepping out of this little side avenue and into a smaller side alley, the other question I had in my head was why on Earth Jin wouldn't have dived into the water and swam like the Dickens.  Sure the odds aren't improved much at all, but I think nature dictates action, fight or flight, in the face of danger and death.  The heli wouldn't have been able to come back down for you, but it could come back down and pluck you out of the drink should you have survived the blast, the heat, and the sink. 
 
I also remain very interested in the character of Richard Alpert and still think he's like the true power holder hidden in plain sight, ruling from behind the throne.  Along these same lines, I link the character of Matthew Abaddon, who seems to be of a similiar but opposing supernatural composition, a balance, to the ageless Alpert.  The understory of these two is a line I will look forward to much more than the throes the Oceanic 6 go through in their coming journey to get back to the island, which is a reunion i expect to be fulfilled in the final season, 2 years from now.  But the early read on this is that Jack & Sayid are both pro-getting-back-to-the-island; Hurley will be a mild resistor; Sun is a bad ass bitch on wheels now, a dragon lady, and I think she wants to actually kick the islands ass and destroy it, out of the sweetest and coldest of revenges, but despite trying to read her motive, it's clear she wants to find the island and get back like Jack and probably Sayid; Kate will likely be the toughest sell, especially since it would demand that Aaron be dragged back too, and her ferocity in opposition will likely embolden Hurley to aid the dissenters as I predict them.
 
Ben's banishment from the island gives promise that we will see his now worldly pursuit of revenge and murder, with target number one being Penny's dad, Mr. Charles Whitmore, or whatever his name is. 
 
The biggest questionmark is not what became of those left on the island but away from the event, like Sawyer and Juliet, but what happened to those on the boat that was ferrying islanders between the island and the boat that exploded.  The Farraday Boat.  Are they, like the Oceanic 6 was, adrift?  Did they perish at sea?  Or hit some other uninhabited island?  Or were they not far enough off the island and were included in its relocation?  Or did something else happen to them and they slipped into some odd dimension in space/time?  I think I need to reopen my look into the real Dr. Farraday, Michael Farraday, to see if I can reach a fun conclusion, but I think the odds are they were relocated with the island. 
 
I know there's much, much more to speculate on and discuss, but this is what has floated to the surface of my insterest and recollection and all I have the time to jot down now.


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From: MSN Nickname_AmesSent: 6/2/2008 10:50 PM
Smig, the episode he was back in New York and he was going to kill himself in the island and Zek/Tom told him he had to go back and that he couldn't die. He crashed his car too.

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 Message 36 of 48 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nickname_AmesSent: 6/2/2008 10:52 PM
Alley not island. LOL

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 Message 37 of 48 in Discussion 
From: Jnp9Sent: 6/3/2008 1:27 AM
im so confused
 
can someone give me the readers digest of where we are at now?
 
whos jeremy? lol

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 Message 38 of 48 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 6/3/2008 1:33 AM
Zek/Tom.....
 
What the frak? I'm so bad with names, lol..... No clue. And I've watched every second of every episode. Hahaha, jebus...
 
 
JNP - Jeremy is a Locke alias. There is no such thing as a condensed version of Lost, lol.

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 Message 39 of 48 in Discussion 
From: Jnp9Sent: 6/3/2008 11:51 PM
an alias from where?
 
why was everyone so shcked?
have we heard this name before?

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 Message 40 of 48 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTequïIaSent: 6/4/2008 5:50 PM
JUST remembered last night - don't know if anyone mentioned it here yet

Remember a few seasons ago - Ben wakes up in a desert wearing a Parka with a gash in his arm?! It was his flash forward - to the finale!

I don't know if I'm slow in noticing this or not haaa

That desert was Tunisia... The same place Charlotte found the bear bones too.

I remember he asked someone the date - like he was confused...

815 crashed Sept 22, 2004... and I think the last episode was day 100?? Think he time traveled?????


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From: MSN NicknameHoTtSyLiTtLefoXXySent: 6/4/2008 7:43 PM
Smig - Micheal in the alley, remember one of the others found him to coax him to work for ben on the boat. Michael had bought a gun and the other found him in the alley, told him he couldn't die. I'd forgotten about that but now I remember. I wonder though if he meant he could never die, or not until he did what he had to do.

Ben...what was the date when he asked? Did he get cut in the finale?

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From: MSN NicknameHoTtSyLiTtLefoXXySent: 6/4/2008 7:48 PM
it's all just too much. i can't imagine they'll ever be able to tie everything together.

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From: MSN NicknameTequïIaSent: 6/4/2008 8:14 PM
He put on that winter coat and then climbed down the ladder. A leg of the ladder broke and his arm got slashed... he's in the same clothes as that episode

Freaking CRAZY

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 6/4/2008 8:21 PM
"That desert was Tunisia... The same place Charlotte found the bear bones too."

:^o

I have a very vague memory of this.....jebus. I need to rewatch the entire series, lol.


"Micheal in the alley, remember one of the others found him to coax him to work for ben on the boat"

Another vague memory, only I remember this more than the previous. (But thanks, I do sorta remember that, lol - and yeah, maybe it was just "you can't die NOW" sort of thing)

Ack, I seriously need to see the entire series all over again, lol. (Making me go like 9 months in between episodes never helped much!!)

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From: MSN NicknameTequïIaSent: 6/4/2008 10:19 PM
I re-watched the finale last night because Owen was away and hadn't seen it yet - Noticed sooo much more (the jacket!) and the wording of things.

I really think Claire was talking about Locke... Locke or Ben.

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From: MSN NicknameHoTtSyLiTtLefoXXySent: 6/4/2008 11:50 PM
maybe then can time travel and the reason the guy in the alley said to michael he can't die, is because he already knew that he was a part of the future.

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 6/16/2008 6:33 PM
Watched the whole 3 hours again yesterday...

I wonder what happened to everyone that forced Locke to take on a fake name and come looking for the rescuees and tell them they had to go back (I presume to rectify everything?).

And why can't you ever go back once you move the island? I mean, obviously it puts you elsewhere and you can't re-enter from there, but what would prevent you from stepping foot on the island? Well, I guess the island can just hide itself from whomever - obviously it's a living breathing thing.

LMAO - I bet the island is actually Morla, the ancient, sneezing turtle from Neverending Story. :^P

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From: MSN Nickname_AmesSent: 6/19/2008 6:11 PM
LOL!

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