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Quakers : Need some help with a sick Quaker baby ASAP
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From: MSN NicknameBethsBatch  (Original Message)Sent: 6/13/2008 10:46 PM
As many of you know,  I brought home my new baby today.  I picked him up at the breeder's house and he was blowing snot bubbles.  None of the other babies appeared to be sick.  Why didn't I take on of the others?  Because this little one walked across the table as I sat talking with the breeder and sat in my crawled onto me and sat on my shoulder.  I have an appt with my vet Sunday (she's not in Fri & Sat) but I want to make sure I can help out this little guy until then.  As of right now he's in his cage facing a corner.  He has little sneezes every now and again.  I know he's scared as I just brought him home.  But he seems very lethargic.  I put some millet and damp pellets in with him along with some water with vitamins.  Is there anything else I can give him???

Beth


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From: MSN NicknameottabemeSent: 6/15/2008 1:50 AM
Hope things continue to improve.
I do know that cultures and blood work can still tell a lot even if an antibiotic was used or more than one -it will still identify problems and if the correct antibiotic is being used. The dna test for psit (parrot fever) is easy to do you just swab things. The birds butt, cage, places feather dust landed and other areas just in case and it is more reliable than it use to be. Good luck and thanks for answering our inquiries when you have so much on your mind.

Linda

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From: MSN NicknameBethsBatchSent: 6/15/2008 3:25 AM
Ok Bubba is HOME! He was taken off oxygen at around 4 pm today, (6 hours ago). They sent him home with only 2 meds. 1 is Baytril for his severe upper respiratory infection, and the other is Rimadyl for the anti-inflammatory. The nurse told me he was shredding paper and walking around a lot today too but was only picking at millet and I will have to hand feed him formula 4 x's a day until he starts eating his pellets and fresh foods I give him. He is a bit weak, but looks a LOT better compared to last night. He even squawked a few times when she was holding him and talking to me. Right now he's laying low in his cage which is covered by a sheet. I'm sure he'll enjoy a good night's rest in his permanent home instead of being bounced around like yesterday. Poor thing is probably saying "Why am I here again and when are they moving me now???"

I appreciate everyone's input. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I will keep you updated on his condition and would still appreciate prayers and good thoughts sent Bubba's way!!

<3 Beth & Bubba!

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From: MSN NicknameCOOPGIRL2Sent: 6/15/2008 11:36 AM
Bubba...happy that you are home with your mom and that you continue to get better. Deb

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From: MSN NicknameIndy75Sent: 6/15/2008 11:40 AM
I am so happy to see Bubba is home.  Prayers still coming from this way. 
 
Are you making an appointment with your own avian vet now?  Just wondering.  I was wondering about the Rimadyl.
 
I was just wondering if you will end up calling him Bubbie like I do alot.   
 
Indy

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From: MSN NicknameBethsBatchSent: 6/15/2008 1:03 PM
The avian vet I took him to is my regular avian vet. She is set up at a 24 hr. hospital and made the emergency call. What were you wondering about the rimadyl? Please share so maybe I can bring that up to her!

Thank you : )

Beth

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From: MSN NicknameBethsBatchSent: 6/15/2008 4:24 PM
I was able to get some formula into Bubba this morning at 4 AM and again at 10. It wasn't a lot b/c I don't want him to get sick from too much. I had to basically force it in him, as they were feeding him with a gavage while at the vet. I also got some water with vitamins in him as well as his 2 antibiotics. When I picked him up last night he had just been fed and his crop was full. Should I force enough in him so that it's as full as it was there? I've been keeping a close eye and he hasn't regurgitated either feeding. I just hate having to force it.

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From: birdlady7Sent: 6/15/2008 5:10 PM
I have been praying that Bubba will be fine.  It sounds like your quick action in getting him in to see the vet was a good thing.  Maybe the vet can advise how much to push feeding him?  He is a really pretty bird.  Kathy

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From: MSN NicknameAbbyBCLady1Sent: 6/15/2008 5:16 PM
Hi Beth. I'm so happy that Bubba is improving, Beth! My prayers will continue until he is completely well.
 
I also think that you need to ask your vet about how much to feed him. Folks here an give opinions, but we are not vets.
 
Abby

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From: MSN NicknamejensbirdsSent: 6/15/2008 6:37 PM
Beth - as Abby said, we're not vets here, but I'd also be concerned about rimadyl. It was specifically developed for dogs, and the only info I can find about it being used on birds is kind of scary - to be honest, I wouldn't even recommend anyone use it on their dog unless it were a last resort. There are other anti-inflammatories out there - maybe you could ask your vet if she could prescribe another one instead. (??)

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From: MSN NicknameBethsBatchSent: 6/15/2008 7:12 PM
I read about rimadyl.  I noticed how it came up with aging dogs and arthritis.  I think I may just not give it to him.  He seems to be doing a lot better.  He gets some spurts of energy and after I gave him some water before he was squawking and running about! 
 
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He's still a little wobbly and isn't really picking at his food (but he's picking at the bird weaves I have in his cage--he likes to put his head under them and flip them on his back.)  He even sat for a good 20 mins on my shoulder while we were in the steam of a hot shower which my vet advised me to do. 
 
I will give her a call shortly regarding how much food to feed him.  And yes, I have seeds in his food cup--just at the top though, the rest is pellets, I just want him to start picking at food on his own, whatever it may be right now. 
 
Beth

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From: MSN NicknameIndy75Sent: 6/15/2008 7:12 PM
When my dog was suppose to go on rimadyl I had to do the blood test first.  Paid for all that and then looked into it.  I then decided at the last second not to use it.  Granted for the dog it would have been long term for arthritis pain.
 
I found articles about birds using it and as jensbird said it wasn't good.  But I have no proof.  It is not made for birds but there are alot of other drugs not made for birds but are used. I assume it is being used for inflamation.
 
I would just question your vet further and maybe as Jensbirds suggested see if there is anything different to use. 
 
As far as the eating Abby suggested the best thing.  call the vet.  But do you have a scale to monitor his weight?  Just make sure you don't force him and aspirate him. 
 
We are still cheering your little one on.  He's lucky to have a good mom.
 
Indy

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From: MSN NicknameIndy75Sent: 6/15/2008 7:15 PM
I posted same time you posted so didn't see your post.  I wouldn't stop any meds without the vet knowing.
 
He is adorable!
 
Indy

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From: MSN NicknameBethsBatchSent: 6/15/2008 7:33 PM
She said the rimadyl is fine for him.  It helps the inflammation in his sinus cavity.  She also told me to give him 5 CCs, 4 x's a day.

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From: MSN Nicknameannieokie100Sent: 6/15/2008 9:49 PM
Beth, do you know how the breeder fed him? They can balk at eating if there is a difference in the method. For instance, my ekkie ate from a 60 cc syringe, but was terrified of a 1 cc and a 10 cc.  I had to put her meds in a teaspoonful of Gerber baby food and feed it from a 60 cc, which is huge. I used peaches or plums mostly because she loved those.
 
You may want to try that using a smaller syringe to be sure she swallows. Force feeding usually doesn't work well. They aspirate easily if they are fighting against the feeding.
 
Also, I found that the larger the syringe the easier it was for my big old hands to control the amount given in one bite. The little syringes shoot it in so fast and scare me.
 
He's really cute.
Annie

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From: MSN NicknameottabemeSent: 6/16/2008 12:04 AM
Glad he is doing well. You might try leaving some soft foods in his cage also. Cooked grains, cooked pasta, sweet potato mashed, melon small, pellets soaked in juice. Don't leave them in long, just between feedings. Encourage him to eat on his own and feel better. Also find out the temperature that he is use to eating the formula at. Too hot they don't like it not hot enough they don't like it. Has to be perfect and do use a thermometer so you never make it too hot and burn the crop - Make sure the formula is not heated in the microwave - it causes hot spots and burns the crop too. You may already know all these things, but I figure better to repeat it than for someone not to know.
Prayers still your way.

Linda

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