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| From: joie | Sent: 8/17/2001 12:34 AM | | | | The 144,000 The 144,000  | | | The 144,000 is not meaning that there are only 144,000 people. Now, I know this is going to be hard for people to believe. Things that have never been understood and taught, are not easily accepted. But if you will read this with an open mind; a teachable spirit, you will be able to understand this. Now, there is a lot of truth is the above post; but there is also a carry over of the commonly taught misconcepts. When things were organized and outlined by the false teachers of the whore church, this was taught by all the churches; so this is already in the minds of people. So when they read these things, they try to make them fit into the 'molds' already set for them. And the truth of the matter is THEY JUST DON'T DO IT. Please, all who read this, bear with it; do some studying. God will show you , if you open your heart to Him. First, let me tell you, there is NO DIFFERENCE since Pentecost, in the physical and the spiritual Jew. God does not recognize anyone by the 'flesh' now. All are the children of God by faith in Jesus. We are all ONE. You must get this concept, to ever understand the truth of any of the Word. I did a message last week on Many are ONE; but some kind of way the disk messed it up. So, I will try to redo it soon. It is very necessary for you to understand this and all the rest of the Word. If you have a Strong's Hebrew dictionary, look up the word 'THOUSAND'. Now, honestly before our God, who sees and hears all we do; I did not learn this from that dictionary: I was reading the word, and God said to me "thousand does not mean a number". Before the Holy God, who witnesses this as I write it, I speak the truth; I lie not. I knew it was God; for He has spoken like that to me for many, many years. So I asked Him, "then what does it mean to you?" I prayed for Him to reveal this to me. For I know that it would be totaly different from anything I had ever heard. Every thing He has ever taught me was that way. Nothing I had ever learned in Church was true. It is all lies. God showed me that the 144,000 is all His people, since the beginning of time. It is the Holy City. That Hebrew dictionary shows that THOUSAND was not originally a numeral. It meant to LEARN; TO TEACH; TO UTTER; IT MEANT THE MOTHER, THE BOND OF THE FAMILY; IT MEANT THE OX HEAD; WHICH WAS THEIR FIRST LETTER OF THE ALPHABET. Now, the ox is also the first face on the four-faced living creature; the first stage of Christianity. It came from that 1st letter of their alphabet to have a numerical meaning. But, Revelation is using the original meanings. Twelve, cubic, and two all have the very same meanings. So, what does this tell us?? That the thousand years (oh by the way year , day, month, all these words have the same kind of meaning; they do not mean what our English language says.)---the thousand year that the devil was 'bound', was the TEACHING time of the apostles. The 144,000 is God's people who knew and taught the truth. It does not mean how many. Surely, you must know that there will be more than 144,000 litteral people saved; in the Holy City. The CUBITS also means the same thing: hence, the 144 cubits. It is the same as 144 thousand. See that it said the 12 gates had on them the names of the 12 tribes of Israel. We are Israel. Everyone, out of the O.T. Israel and the N.T. Israel, will be part of this City. The 12 foundations had on them the names of the 12 apostles; does not mean 12 litteral foundations, stacked on top of each other: no, it means the apostles laid the foundation (teaching) of that Holy City, the true Church of the Living God. Said the foundations were garnished with beautiful stones: that is us; the lively stones Peter said were in that City. The walls were 144 cubits; it said 12 means to double. It said the length and breath were equal; see, the 12,000 one way doubled; the 12,000 the other side, doubled - the 4-square; but it does not mean like a building design. It is spiritual talk. All the O.T. people are there; represented by those 12 gates; they were our way into the city. All the N.T. people are there; represented by those 12 foundaitons and stones in them. So, 12 x 12 gives the 144. Therefore, (God showed me this) --it shows that all the saints of all the ages are there; that is the 144, = 12 x 12== God's people who learned and taught the truth. The MOTHER, THE BOND OF THE FAMILY --- WHAT FAMILY? THE FAMILY OF GOD!!!!! WHAT MOTHER? THE NEW JERUSALEM, THE HOLY CITY, IS THE MOTHER OF US ALL. Glory. The truth at last---free from the harlots teachings = every thing made CARNAL. But the truth makes it all SPIRITUAL again. That is why they sing the SONG OF MOSES =- these were the O.T. people; then they sang the song of THE LAMB = these are the N.T. people; all those who followed where ever He led us. Being undefiled by the women = not being defiled by the whore's false teaching; not partaking of her sins (which mainly is these holidays). Also, departing from the lying TRINITY doctrine: the truth teaches us that TRINITY IS SATAN. God is ONE. Jo | | |
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Everyone, I should have been more explicit in what I said above.......... The greatest picture out of all of this that I see, is love. God has been carefully examining this temple, this heavenly Jerusalem, from the beginning. He has been careful, to take painstaking measures, to make sure everything is according to His design. Jo is right, when she says the 144,000 is not a literal number. And, that is the best teaching I have ever seen concerning what exactly the 144,000 represents. Jo, there is only one thing that I defer about, and that is physical Israel. I do believe that there is a remnant in physical Israel. And, we see the judgments in revelation, can be compared to three woes. The first woe, is judgment upon the church, the second woe, is judgment upon physical Israel, the third woe, is judgment upon the world at large. Why is God interested in physical Israel? Because He did establish them as a nation. He did bring forth His word through this nation. Paul says that they are temporarily blinded. Right now, they are outside of the temple, they are not in the body of Christ, but God has mercy on them. Why you might ask? Because they were trying to obtain righteousness by the law, which is impossible, it only comes by faith. Christ is the embodiment of the law, and our faith is in Him. (hence, the stumbling block) There are specific prophecies concerning physical Israel, and there are specific prophecies concerning spiritual Israel. I am not saying, that God has two different brides. His purpose and goal, is for all of us to be one in the messiah. But, God is merciful, seeing that the very laws that He gave to Israel, was a stumbling block to them. He is going to give them every chance available, to repent, and return to the one whom they pierced. sincerely, glory2Himonly | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 8/17/2001 1:08 AM | | Glory2himonly The prophecies concerning bringing back in the natural Isralites, was fulfilled at Pentecost. Now, I know this is also another place where the 'already laid out pattern for interpretating' , is misleading people and keeping them from understanding what is so plainly taught in the Word. When one reads the word, what they have already had taught to them is there; (it happens to all of us)-- Until God speaks to our understanding, we will see the Word in the mold 'they' already told us it fits. But, it does not fit. Just answer to yourself these questions: 1. Who was in that upper room when the Holy Ghost first came? To whom was it given? Only to Isralites. 2. Who was saved in that first 3,000 who were added to the true chruch? Nothing but Isralites. 3.. Who was saved in the next 5,000? Nothing but Isralites. Get the pitcure? God brought THEM into the church before anyone else. They were never put out. That is when He brought that remnant in!!! We are the saved remnant of Israel. We are Israel. There is no division anymore. Paul said all Israel shall be saved. But, he said the natural seed is not counted for the children of God. So, then all saved people are the true Israel; and there will be no other. God's chosen people, his elect, is the ones who come in by faith in Jesus. That is what He elected; that those who believe (come in by faith) would be His people, His Israel. There was Israel in Heaven, before there was Israel on earth; it is a Heavenly name; not an earthly name. Those earthly jews came from JACOB ; not Israel. Jacob was only allowed to go Israel's name. To try to divide them is to destroy the work of Jesus: he took of the twain (the Jews and the Gentiles) and made ONE NEW MAN. Now, who or what is this NEW MAN? It is the Church of the Living God. There will never be another. God will never pick back up the discarded, rejected law group of the natural people. Never!!! That is sound doctrine. Jo | |
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| Joie, I must totally agree with you that God brought the Jews in and were given a chance to come out from under the law. They were given the chance to come into the election of GRACE on the day of Pentecost. Paul said in But now there is no difference in Israel, we all are the true Israel of God. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Under Grace it does not matter if you are a Jew or a Gentile, circumcised or uncircumcised, civilized or uncivilize, slave or free, male or female. So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Is Christ DIVIDED? WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. To try to divide HIM is to destroy the work of Jesus: he took of the twain (the Jews and the Gentiles) and made ONE NEW MAN. Now, who or what is this NEW MAN? It is the Church of the Living God. There will never be another. God will never pick back up the discarded, rejected law group of the natural people. Never!!! That is sound doctrine. If God goes BACK to the nation of Israel, then he would have to put the church aside. They are NOT divided; they will never be divided. Therefore, God had to have brought them back in, as part of the church. we are not justified by the law (O.T.) but by grace through Jesus. So to ever go back to the O.T. at any point would be to go back to the law, away from grace. The ‘nation�?of Israel is strictly O.T. and God will never go back to it. Also good to see so many new faces that are posting. Welcome To Build On The True Foundation to each of you. May You Be Blessed. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 7/2/2003 10:13 PM | | Isaiah, that is a very good and true message. I just don't see how anyone could miss this in the Word. It is just too much in there saying this. Those Jews must come into the Church through Jesus and Grace if they are EVER WITH GOD. People just refuse to see that God actually HATED that old law bunch of Jews. He hated them and put them away FOREVER. Oh I know everyone thinks they are his 'special' folks even today. But it is a lie. God did away with them forever. He rejected that law, that nation, and now everything has to be GRACE AND CHURCH. There will NEVER BE ANOTHER NATION OF ISRAEL. That thing over yonder calling itself Israel is no more to God than the jungles in Africa or anywhere else for that matter. The true People of God are the Christians and they are looked down on by everyone, even their own selves. WHAT A PITY AND DECEPTION. I am gonna go fishing to find Who are the True Jews. This is a message Wanna and I did even before we had B. on the T.F. It got us both banned. So we started this group so we could teach truth. | |
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| From: Enkraw | Sent: 7/8/2003 6:56 PM | Isaiah (Joie and whoever may respond),
Simple question of concern....
Do you think that the day of Pentacost was the only opportunity for the Jews to accept the grace of Jesus Christ?
Where they cut off now from that day forward?
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| From: joie | Sent: 7/8/2003 7:21 PM | | NO! Enkraw, The Jews have NEVER been cut off. Paul plainly taught that there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE in anyone since Calvary. We are ALL ONE. DOES ANYONE HEAR WHAT WE ARE SAYING? In Christ there is NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK; NEITHER BOND NOR FREE; Neither male nor female. But we are ALL ONE. Does anyone know what this means? It means we are all on equal grounds. God does not regard anyone's human flesh. He does not see it. It makes no difference to Him. All who put their trust and obey Jesus according to the Scriptures will be saved no matter WHAT THEY ARE IN THE FLESH. Jesus took of the TWAIN = Jews and Gentiles --- AND MADE ONE NEW MAN, THUS MAKING PEACE. Now you just watch that whore church try to keep up a division and a ruckous. Just watch that ugly head of Satan disguised in people, trying to say women are out of it; jews are out of it; this bunch is out of it; that bunch is out of it. We ever have a hideous sect in the world claiming bunches of folks actually decended from some half human-half animal creature called the 'serpent' and all those who decended from them CANNOT BE SAVED. Now there are litterally millions of supposed to be Christians, actually worshipping the man who made this BIG FAT LIE FAMOUS. His name is William Branham. And I am hated because I dare speak out against this evil man. Yes, he taught hideous lies against God's Holy Word so I say he was an evil man. Anyone who teaches lies such as this are EVIL. No way around it. No, the Jews were brought in all the way down to our day. God never at any time cut them off. He grafted us ALL INTO ONE AND THE SAME GOOD OLIVE TREE. Paul himself turned to the Gentiles, only because he was the chosen Apostle to the Gentiles. But LOOK AT THIS -- ALL THE REST OF THE APOSTLE STILL MINISTERED TO THE JEWS!! NOW I ASK YOU, WHY IS EVERYONE OVERLOOKING THIS VERY OBVIOUS FACT? We must ALL come into the true Church the same way ----- as on the day of Pentecost. There is no other way for anyone. We are all the true Jews who have put on Christ. We are the Jews. We are the people of God. Jo p.s. glad to see you posting. Keep it up. | |
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| From: Isaiah | Sent: 7/8/2003 7:26 PM | | Enkraw, thanks and welcome to Build On The True Foundation. To answer yourquestion the Jews were never cut off. We the Gentiles and they the Jews must all come in by Grace. There is no difference now from the Jew or the Gentile. God brought the Jews in and were given a chance to come out from under the law. Now we all are spirtual Jews the true Israel of God. I have a message that joie did on this The Jews broughtn in saved in my documents. I will put it on this thread to see. Thanks once again for posting. | |
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| From: Isaiah | Sent: 7/8/2003 8:17 PM | Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. ( SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING HERE. PETER WAS TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES AND PAUL WITHSTOOD HIM AND SHOWED HIM THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. YOU CAN ALSO READ IN THE BOOK OF ACTS WHERE GOD ALSO SHOWED PETER THAT THERE WAS DIFFERENCE IN A VISION. ACTS CHAPTER 11 Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 15:9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. See there is no difference in us today. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, there is neither male or female we all are as one in Christ. Praise the Lord | |
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| From: Enkraw | Sent: 7/8/2003 8:54 PM | | Just wanted to get that straight. It is hard to have "whosoever" if all men are not called unto salvation. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 7/8/2003 9:28 PM | | That is absolutely true, Enkraw. Most of the 'church' world today thinks the 'Jews" meaning those folks they think are 'natural' jews are still somehow 'special ' to God. But it is just not true. There are no 'specials' with God. He loves us and see us all the same. Only those who obey the Word and serve Jesus are God's true people; no one else. The Jews of the O.T. were only used to show the types and shadows of what really went on in the heavenlies. God's chosen, special people are the ones who come in by faith in Jesus and live by Grace. That is US. Now, as we began this community, we started it with the message, The True Foundation of the Church. That message should be read by everyone. It should be brought back to our front page pretty often. I show that unless you are rooted and grounded on the right, or TRUE Foundation, then EVERYTHING else you believe will be WRONG. AND that is true. That is why the whole doctrine of the churches today are all LIES. They are none of them on the right foundation. Therefore their whole line of doctrine is false. See in a building, if the foundation is crooked and unlevel, that entire building will be off. It will eventually fall. Now that is just as true with our spiritual building. If it is not built on the right foundation it will be wrong with every layer of bricks laid. It will fall. The true foundation is Peter's confession, Thou are the Christ, the SON OF THE LIVING GOD. And then Jesus said to him, and I say unto you that thou are Peter. See, Peter had gotten a revelation from God the Father that Jesus was the Son of the living God. The Christ. Then Jesus spoke to Peter and called him by name, thus showing that Jesus also Knew Peter. If he knows you not, you are none of his. Unless you know that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, and not God himself, then your whole doctrine from then on will be lies. It takes this true revelation to open up any other truth in the Word of God. Every truth depends upon this truth to be explained. And that is precisely why all that the churches teach are lies. Tha whore church, The Catholics, ( and this includes all the others) - invented many lies to cover up who and what they really are --- evil, truth haters. Jesus said they LOVED darkness rather than LIGHT (truth) BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS ARE EVIL. If they desire x-mas, their deeds are evil. And that is why they hate the truth that God blotted the day of Jesus' birth out of existance --- which was Feb. 30. Now people hate and dispise this truth. But it is revealed in Job 3. They do not want to live holy so they hate the truth of holiness and baptism of the Holy GHost. They made up a triune godhead because they loved all the idols of the heathen with are trinities. with a human 'mother' of god. It is lies. They made up a 7 yr. tribulation period to cover up the fact that they have persecuted the true Christians since the first one was on earth. Then they invented the lie that a single man-of sin will yet rule the whole world to cover up the fact that the man -of-sin is fallen humanity. They invented the lie that Jesus is going to carry them off into the wild blue yonder someday and keep them from seeing any tribulation. Now to circumvent this lie, they had to also divide the Jews from the Gentiles. So they invented the lie that God turned away from the Jews and picked up the Gentiles and some day, after he 'raptures' the sweet little, sinning every day 'christians' and spares THEM any suffering, (of which Paul said we are all partakers) - (but somehow , they deserve to esape, even though they are the most ungodly bunch ever to slander grace)---- that God will again turn back to the Jews and BRING THEM IN. See what a lie this is? God brought them IN FIRST. Then He made us all one. Never to be separated again. I heard a fake minister make this statement: If there were no difference in the Jews and the Gentiles then we could not say there would be a rapture; for unless you see that God will turn back to the Jews and let them go through the tribulation, then you could not say there is a rapture. Now don't you see the lies here. Sure they have to make a DIFFERENCE IN JEWS AND GENTILES TO KEEP TEACHING THEIR LIES. SEE THEY SAY GOD IS GOING TO TAKE THE GENTILE CHURCH OFF THIS EARTH, THEN LET THE JEWS GO THROUGH A TRIBULATION. (where does the Word teach a Gentile Church?) It is the biggest lie ever told. Paul said THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. WE ARE ALL ONE. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO SALVATION. EVERYONE CAN COME TO JESUS AND BE SAVED. HE WILL TURN NO ONE AWAY WHO WILL REPENT AND COME IN HIS WAY. He does not see Gentiles and Jews any longer. It is a lie. We are the true Jews who are saved. See then that every thing they teach is A LIE. I mean every thing. They have no truth. They say God is three persons. They have not one word of Scripture to prove it. Then another group says Jesus is God and he is the only one. They are both lies out of hell. JO | |
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Freeborn, I read this message. I think that the "Seed of the Women" (which is Jesus), is the New Jerusalem. I really enjoyed reading this this morning. I wish everybody would get into the WORD on a daily basis. Be Blessed. Tweety |
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Matthew 3:16-And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him Mark 1:10- And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: Luke 3:22- And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased John 1:32- And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
The holy city that John saw was the Holy Ghost, The NEW TESTAMENT The only way to enter in this New City is to receive the Holy Ghost You have to enter in the door. Jesus is that door If you try to enter into that city other than the door, you are the same as a thief and a robber You can not climbeth up some other way, This city is our ark, our safety The way into that city is simple all you have to do is enter in the door. To enter in the door, you must repent , be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remisson of sin. Receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. you are now a member of the New Jerusaleum, prepared as a bride for your new husband |
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 Thank You so much for that Larry. I have seen where some believe that Jesus Christ is the Holy Ghost, and when you try and ask them how did he come down like a dove from heaven and still be in the river being baptized at the same time?. I remember I tried to explain this to Freeborn over the phone and how it must have looked if Jesus Christ is the Holy Ghost also. She had a chuckle out of it. Sometimes I run into man's sayings, and it makes me shake my head. Have a blessed day. Tweety |
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Still shaking that head......lol |
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