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From: joie (Original Message)

Sent: 10/27/2001 8:20 PM

Since there is so much confusion, and false teaching concerning the witnesses, I will bring to you the true work of this end-time witness.

Revelation 9:1-12--- tells about the job of this group of anointed witnesses.

I know every thing (false) in the books has been said about this Scripture. Most people say that those ‘locust�?are ‘demons�?out of hell. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Let them bring forth one word of Scripture to prove this.

For the sake of length, I will not quote these verses; please read this passage in your Word.

All these terms are symbols; which must be identified by other Scripture. You will find in Proverbs that a ‘whore�?is a deep pit. I am not going to get up all the Scriptures for this message, as I usually do; for people do not like these long posts. But, later, I will come under this, and bring out points individually.

This ‘bottomless pit�?= the whore church. The reason for the ‘bottomless�?is she was not on the true foundation. This whore church started with the Catholic Church---her daughters are the Protestants and Pentecostals; they are this whore.

Every church today, is caught up in idolatry. That makes them this whore.

The angel opens up this pit; the smoke out of the pit, darkens the sun and air = they took the world into spiritual darkness.

Those true saints, heard the call, and came out of this system; they are the ones who came out of this ‘smoke�? this darkness.

Now, the question is - who are the ‘locust�?

Jesus referred to wicked people as serpents, vipers, lions, locust, etc.

But, there comes a day when Jesus gives His witnesses the power and authority to turn and do to them as they have been doing to Jesus�?people. Therefore, they become the ‘locust, the lion�?

v3:

These locusts are given power, AS the scorpions of the earth have power.

The scorpions are the wicked people which Jesus called vipers and scorpions. Notice, this says these locusts are given power AS those people had power. This is where God’s people are told to do to her as she has done to you; and double to her.

v4---Here they are told only to hurt men which do not have the seal of God in their foreheads.

See, Satan’s people have always hurt God’s people; but this group of ‘locusts�?are told only to hurt those who do not belong to God. So, this shows it would have to be God’s people; for if it were Satan’s people, or demons, they would hurt God’s people.

v7---The shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle;

Here lets go over to Joel 2. This is the chapter which describes in detail, the army of God. Notice that in v1, they are told to blow the trumpet. These trumpet judgments are the wrath of the Lamb on the earth. That is the job of this end-time witness.

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From: joie

Sent: 10/27/2001 9:13 PM

Part two:

In Rev. 6: v16--

After the sixth seal, when the people of the earth cry to the rocks and mountains (their churches, and nations)-- to save them from the wrath of the Lamb: v17--For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Now, the next thing is the sealing of the witnesses in the forehead. This is where they are anointed with power from on high by the Baptism of fire; to bring the judgments of the Lamb on the earth.

Next, the seventh seal opens. The silence under this seal signifies that the people of God are no longer giving out their light--- not giving any more oil out.

See that the next thing, which follows, is the Trumpet judgments. This is the Wrath of the Lamb; so this is the ministry of the witnesses.

It would take hours and hours for me to show you where I learned all this from; you will just have to study for yourself and take this as it is; for I can not type all of it up. It would take too much time and length. This is all over the Word.

I will only go into the fifth trumpet here; for this is primarily the work of these witnesses.

Now, back to Joel 2. You need to learn that the day of the Lord is this day of wrath; not any day of worship. It is not Sunday; it is not Saturday. It is the day of wrath. The prophets are full of this.

In Chapter one of Joel, we are told of the destruction of the church, (Jesus�?vine) by the whore church = the palmerworm, the locust, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar.

Strong’s says this is all stages of the same worm. This is true. It is all the various workings of the Catholic Church as they killed Christians down through the ages. Then, the Protestants also killed each other. So, this is the worms which ate up the vine of Jesus.

The end of the chapter finds everything in a very desolate condition. At this point in time, the witnesses are anointed and told to blow the trumpet. So starts the wrath of the Lamb.

Verse one says the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand. So this identifies the day of the LORD as this day of wrath.

v2---A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds (the Christians, in whom is the power of Christ)--and of thick darkness= (the Sun, moon, & stars not giving out their light)-=the silence in heaven.---a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

See, that this is the greatest people who have ever been---so this has to be God’s people.

v3--A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: ..

v4---The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

Now, see this is the identification of the horses under the 5th trumpet. It is also the horsemen of the 6th trumpet.

v5--Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall the leap, like the noise of a FLAME OF FIRE that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

Go to Rev. 11--you will find that FIRE comes out of the mouth (spoken Word)-- of the Witnesses and devour any who try to hurt them.

Back to Rev. 9:7---on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, (the knowledge of the Word)---and their faces were as the faces of men.

God told me this shows men in this group of people.

v8--And they had hair as the hair of women,---God told me this shows women in this group of witnesses; He is describing a GROUP; not an individual; He takes parts of each member to show the whole group as one group.

...and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

Now, the devourers of God’s people, all through the Word were referred to as ‘lions�? Paul said he was delivered out of the mouth of the lions. This is showing the ‘lion�?face, of the four-faced living creature---which is the true church of God.

This shows where God’s people are told to do to her as she has done to you. We are now ‘lions�? We are now ‘locust�?

v9---And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron;---- here is that rod of iron.

and the sound of their wings---- (wings on horses?--- God shows his symbols as more than one thing)---this is the wings which were on the four-faced living creature.)

...the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

Back to Joel-2--

v5---Like the noise of CHARIOTS on the tops of mountains (churches and nations)---shall they leap, like the noise of a FLAME OF FIRE that devoureth the STUBBLE, as a strong people set in battle array.

to be cont.

From: joie

Sent: 10/27/2001 10:26 PM

Joel 2:6---Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

Rev. 11 shows that the people rejoice over the witnesses when they are killed, because they had tormented the people who dwelt on the earth.

Joel 2:9---They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

Here is the coming like a thief. Here is where we are tearing down the ‘wall�?of old whore Babylon.

Isaiah 33:v1--tells the Babylon, treacherous dealers (false church)--that when they finish dealing treacherously, they will be dealt treacherously with. That is when we do to them as they have done.

v2--God’s people ask for his protection in time of trouble.

v3--shows this is the lifting up of Jesus as he scatters the nations.

v4---And your spoil shall be gathered LIKE the gathering of the caterpillar: as the running to and fro of LOCUSTS shall HE run upon them.

Now, this shows God’s people doing as the caterpillar of Joel one did; it shows us running to and fro as in Joel 2:9-

See that it said Jesus would run on them AS LOCUST? This is the locust of Rev. 9.

v5---He hath filled Zion (the Church) with judgment and righteousness.

v14--shows the hypocrites and sinners in Zion are afraid. v15- shows that the righteous are the ones who can dwell with this fire.

Isaiah 13 also deals with this ministry of the witnesses.

v2--tells us to go into the gates of the nobles.

v3---I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones (Joel’s army of cp. 2)--for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

v4--The noise of a MULTITUDE (now see, this does away with this theory of the witnesses being just 2 people)---in the mountains, like as of a GREAT PEOPLE; (look back at Joel 2--the greatest people ever)--- a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together; the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

v5---They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to DESTROY the WHOLE LAND.

v6---Howl ye; for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand; it shall come as a DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY.

Now, here is another Scripture describing the Day of the LORD as a day of destruction; not a day of the week for worship.

v8---And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; (their travail) they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

v9---Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, CRUEL both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall DESTROY the sinners thereof out of it.

v10---(this happens under the 6th seal)--- For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in HIS going forth, and the moon shall not cause HER light to shine.

v11--And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity...

this is the wrath of the Lamb.

Jere. 50:v9--tells of Jesus calling up his mighty people against Babylon. said “their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain.

This is Joel’s army. Check it and see.

v10---shows this is the spoil Jesus was taking in Isa. 33.

v17--identifies those who drove God’s people away as being lions.

c25---The LORD hath opened his armoury, and hath brought forth the weapons of his indignation: for this is the work of the Lord God of hosts in the land of the Chaldeans.

Now, see how this says what Isa. did that we are the ‘weapons�?of the Lord. Both prophets say the same thing.

v29---calls together the archers against Babylon (same as Joel’s mighty army).

v42---identifies this group as those on the horses.

The next few chapters all deal with this; you should study all of this together if you want to really see this.

to be cont.

From: joie

Sent: 10/30/2001 9:32 PM

I had wanted to place all these messages on the ministry of the Witnesses together. But since I did not have it all typed up, and got off onto something else, there has already been answers placed under the first three. It would have been easier to put this all together if I had managed to get it all in line. But I suppose it does not matter. If you desire to know this truth, you can study all of this and see the Scriptual truth of it. At least, I hope so. God bless all of you who study this message.

PART FOUR

Jesus said in the world ye shall have tribulation; but in me ye shall have peace. The ‘world�?is what brought tribulation to the Saints; not God. Tribulation actually started way back, when Cain killed Abel. Tribulation has always been. No where in the Word is it taught that there will be a seven year tribulation. This is false, hand-me-down, made-up doctrine. You must learn to prove all these things by finding where they are actually taught in the Word; or else see that they are not taught in the Word.

To know the truth, you will have to discount all that you have ever been taught and diligently study the Word until you see what the Word itself actually says. You must compare Scripture with other Scriptures which deal with the same subject. The truth will bring all the Word together in perfect harmony. When you have the truth, there will be no questions raised by one Scripture seeming to contradict another Scripture.

The Wrath of the Lamb is NOT the tribulation. The tribulation was the world’s people persecuting God’s people. When this is brought to an end, then the Wrath of the Lamb will be brought upon the world’s (Satan’s) people.

Isaiah said when the treacherous dealers cease to deal treacherously, they will be dealt treacherously with. This is saying when the false teachers and persecutors of God’s people are brought to an end, then the Wrath of the Lamb will be brought upon them.

Isa. 24:1--Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste..

v3---The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.

v17---Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

v18---And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

v21---And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

v22--And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and AFTER MANY DAYS shall they be visited.

This being shut up in the pit is the same thing as when the angel in Rev. 20: 1,2 --laid hold on the dragon, the devil and bound him a thousand years, and cast him into the bottomless PIT. After the thousand years, they are loosed out of the pit.

Zeph.2:14--The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

v15--That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness.

v16--A day of the TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the HIGH TOWERS.

This agrees with the other prophets I have already quoted saying that the Day of the Lord is a day of destruction. It is a day of the TRUMPET. This is the trumpet judgments in Revelation. If you study them and place them with these Scriptures, you will see that they all say the same thing.

Read Isa. 5:24 & 25--It shows that the fire devours the stubble; that the anger of the LORD is kindled against his people.

Stubble always represents Satan’s people in the Word. The Fire is the judgment ministry of the witnesses.

Isa. 41:2--is a prophecy of Jesus: it says they are as dust to his sword, and as driven stubble to his bow.

Joel 2:5--Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that DEVOURETH THE STUBBLE, as a strong people set in battle array.

Obadiah 18---And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and DEVOUR them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD that spoken it.

See, that Jacob and Joseph represent God’s family; Esau represents Satan’s family.

v15--For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head. (speaking to mystery Babylon--the stubble--Esau--the treacherous dealers).

Nahum 1:2--God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth WRATH for his enemies.

See, here that the WRATH is the vengeance of the LORD against his enemies. So this proves that the WRATH of the LORD is NOT the same as tribulation. Jesus never said he would give tribulation to his people. He gives us peace.

Malachi 4:1---For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be STUBBLE: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Rev. 11: 3---And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. ( representing their mortal bodies).

v5---And if any man will hurt them, FIRE proceedeth out of their mouth, and DEVOURETH their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

THE FIRE SHALL DEVOUR THE STUBBLE.

This is the ministry of the witnesses of God, who are given the Baptism of Fire: their POWER from on HIGH.

From: joie

Sent: 10/30/2001 10:13 PM

For part five, I am placing Psm. 149. This is a great chapter which deals with this end-time ministery of the Witnesses of God.

Before I go into Psm. 149, I want to show you something is Rev. 11. v7--And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ASCENDETH out of the BOTTOMLESS PIT shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Now, notice in the fourth part, that Satan was placed in the pit at the starting of the thousand years. Thus, the witnesses are doing their ministry of the rod of iron, during this thousand years; still in a mortal body. See that after the thousand years, they are 'visited' (after many days) and brought back up; making the eighth head of the beast; but made up of the seven (who had been placed into the pit).

See, how all this fits what the prophets said. He would be bound in the bottomless pit; then be brought back up; and go to war against the saints, the witnesses and overcome them and kill them.

After this, comes the resurrection. Go back and re-study 1Cor. 15.

Part Five

Psalm 149

1. Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints.

2. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.

3. Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.

4. For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.

5. Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.

6. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;

7. To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;

8. To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;

9. To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

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From: joie

This chapter in Psalm is the commission from God to the second witness. This beautiful, Holy Book is so much more than any one could ever realize!!!!!!

For those of you wishing to do an indepth study on the ministry of the second witness, take this chapter and study it with these Scriptures.

Joel 2

Isa. 13 and cp 33

Rev. 9 and 11

Zech. 4

And of course, these are many more; but these chapters all deal with the ministry of this witness.

Look back at Psalm 149:5, let the saints be joyful...

6---let the praises of God be in their mouth, and a TWOEDGED   SWORD in their hand....

Now, why the sword in their hand?

v7---to execute VENGEANCE upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;

v8---to bind their kings and nobles

v9---to execute upon them the judgment written.

Who????   Who will do this?????

ALL HIS   SAINTS!!!!!!!!

Yes, people, all God's saints will do this judgment ministry. The Baptism of Fire will equip us for that job. Nothing,   I mean NOTHING will be able to stand before these powerful, annointed people; the saints of God.

This, that first witness of God did not do. It was not time. That is our job; to bring the wrath of the Lamb upon this ungodly world. To do away with the sinners out of the earth. Then we will rule the world in peace, with the rod of iron, for the full 1,000 years; still in this mortal body.

Glory to our Great God.

Jo, one of them

From: joie

Sent: 11/23/2001 10:57 PM

I wish to bring another part of the ministry of the end time witnesses to you.

I started with Rev. 9; the fifth trumpet. But the sixth trumpet is also the work of these witnesses.

Notice, that the fifth trumpet is the first woe. The sixth trumpet is the second woe.

Rev. 9:13--And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

v14--Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. (this river, like other rivers in the Word, represents a nation of people).

V15--And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a dya, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

v16--And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

v17--And thus I saw the HORSES in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of FIRE, and jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of LIONS; AND OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS ISSUED FIRE and SMOKE and brimstone.

Now, remember that in Joel 2 we are told that the blood, fire and smoke are the signs of the baptism of fire. This is the power from on high to annoint this second witness with the power to bring judgment; to bring the written plagues upon the sinners.

v18--By these three was the third part of men killed, by the FIRE, and by the SMOKE, and by the brimstone, which issued OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS.

This is the spoken wrath of God, coming out of the mouth of these witnesses.

See, that cp 11:5--says, And if any man will hurt them, FIRE proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies.

Now, that is the very same thing. So, this PROVES that this sixth trumpet is also the work of these witnesses.

now, back to v19--For their power is in their MOUTH (what they say)---and in their tails: (this is the ones bringing up the rear part of the ministry) for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

Theis tails being like serpents is the people in the end part of their ministry who have been given the power by Jesus to do AS the scorpions and serpents of the earth have been doing: meaning Satans people were harming God's people before this. But now, God's people are doing to them as they have done; and double to her what she has done.

The heads means their leaders; as the heads of nations. They have the power to hurt the world for their evil against God.

See, the leaders (the heads, and the followers, the tails) both have the same kind of power. It will not be big I's and little u's. (as some people would love to have it)--(but those people will NOT be part of this group).

This group is ONE. They are united; as Jeol said, they will not thrust one another. When they fall on the sword (the Word, they will not be hurt). They will be ONE with the Word.

By this group of witnesses will the 'third' part of men be killed. This is how they torment the people; who will rejoice over their being killed.

Look back at v 16--the number of this army of horsemen (Joel's army) is two hundred thousand thousand----doesn't sound like just 2 single men , does it?

See, how the Word of God proves every thing; and shows the lies up?

I wanted to finish this. Hope you will all study this and come to see the truth on these two witnesses.

Jo (one of them)

From: Wanna

Sent: 10/28/2001 12:37 AM

Rod,

Dont you know that our little way of measuring time is not Gods? A thousand years to us is only as a day to him.

And we dont know those men didnt see there judgment day. Also the kingdom of heaven is within all who serve and beleive on Jesus. And he is here in spirit. You need to get a better understanding of interpreting the word.

Wanna

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Sent: 10/28/2001 12:43 AM

Wanna, so if I say I'll be back in a little while,and I came back in 20 years I could say I was talking in God years ,because 1 day could be a 1000 years or a 1000 years could be 1 day?

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From: joie

Sent: 10/28/2001 1:03 AM

Rod, dear,

Do you not realize that one can not be saved, if you call God's word a lie? Do you realize how dangerous it is to say such things as you have just said? Do you not realize that this is why I try so hard to get you to see that that Catholic Church has deceived your soul into being lost?

Now, just read this and see that you fit exactly into this: Flee--run--get away from that old whore while you still can.

11 Peter 3:2--That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

v3--Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

v4---And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

v5--For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the hevens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

v8---But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

v9--The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Now, don't you see, that you said just this very thing? You are scoffing about this. But don't you see, that it showed that Jesus wants more people to be born and come into his ever lasting glory?

Paul knew Jesus was not going to come in his day. Peter also knew this. They wrote those words for us.

Jesus did not come here and die such a horrible death, then go into hell for us, just to save a very few people. He has waited this long so more people could be born and enjoy his eternal glory. Just think, if he had come back then, you and I would never have been. He loved us too. Just think of this!!!

Those men did not perish as you suppose; they are with Jesus; have been all this time; they knew they were going to go to the presence of Jesus when they died. Only the body is dead; not the soul. That is why we have the Sabbath for the soul. It does not die.

Wake up!! You can not call God's Word a lie and still have salvation. You will die and go to hell with this in your heart. I hope you can find a place of repentance. Get out of that old whore church. It is full of idols and devils. It has deceived you into calling God's Word a lie.

Jesus may not come back for another 1,000 years for all we know. But when I die, he will take me home with him. He may want lots more people to be born and come into his glory. His death was too great a thing for just a few people to benefit from it. Two days worth of people may not be enought for them.

Please, read and pray about this message. It is written in love for your soul. Don't listen to the lies people are saying about me. I do love you. They do not know what love is.

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From: Wanna

Sent: 10/28/2001 1:17 AM

Heres a scripture for you Rod,

Rev7:9 After this I beheld, lo, a great multitude,which no man could number, of all nations and kindreds and people, and tongues,stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands.

Wanna

P.s. I want to preserve this message by Pillar, as it bears out what I teach on Jerusalem being this whore against God.....what he needed was to see that Jerusalem merely moved in and made a church to disguise herself in, after God turned to Churches.

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From: pillar

Sent: 10/28/2001 2:33 PM

Joie the whore is not the catholic nor any other church these are the daughters of the whore,I'm off to fellewship so I'll post some scriptures to show who the whore is. pillar

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Sent: 10/28/2001 10:37 PM

    (JEREM 7:33) And the carcases of this people shall be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth; and none shall fray them away.

   (JEREM 7:34) Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.

   (JEREM 8:1) At that time, saith the LORD, they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves:

   (JEREM 8:2) And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.

   (JEREM 8:3) And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family, which remain in all the places whither I have driven them, saith the LORD of hosts.

   (JEREM 8:4) Moreover thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD; Shall they fall, and not arise? shall he turn away, and not return?

   (JEREM 8:5) Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return.

   (JEREM 8:6) I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle.

   (JEREM 9:11) And I will make Jerusalem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant.

   (JEREM 9:12) Who is the wise man, that may understand this? and who is he to whom the mouth of the LORD hath spoken, that he may declare it, for what the land perisheth and is burned up like a wilderness, that none passeth through?

(JEREM 9:13) And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein;

   (JEREM 9:14) But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:

   (JEREM 9:15) Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.

   (JEREM 9:16) I will scatter them also among the heathen, whom neither they nor their fathers have known: and I will send a sword after them, till I have consumed them.


   (JEREM 29:1) Now these are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the prophet sent from Jerusalem unto the residue of the elders which were carried away captives, and to the priests, and to the prophets, and to all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away captive from Jerusalem to Babylon;

   (JEREM 29:2) (After that Jeconiah the king, and the queen, and the eunuchs, the princes of Judah and Jerusalem, and the carpenters, and the smiths, were departed from Jerusalem;)

   (JEREM 29:3) By the hand of Elasah the son of Shaphan, and Gemariah the son of Hilkiah, (whom Zedekiah king of Judah sent unto Babylon to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon) saying,

   (JEREM 29:4) Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, unto all that are carried away captives, whom I have caused to be carried away from Jerusalem unto Babylon;

   (JEREM 38:28) So Jeremiah abode in the court of the prison until the day that Jerusalem was taken: and he was there when Jerusalem was taken.

   (JEREM 39:1) In the ninth year of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the tenth month, came Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon and all his army against Jerusalem, and they besieged it.

   (LAMEN 2:14) Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.

   (LAMEN 2:15) All that pass by clap their hands at thee; they hiss and wag their head at the daughter of Jerusalem, saying, Is this the city that men call The perfection of beauty, The joy of the whole earth?

   (LAMEN 2:16) All thine enemies have opened their mouth against thee: they hiss and gnash the teeth: they say, We have swallowed her up: certainly this is the day that we looked for; we have found, we have seen it.

     (EZEKI 23:3) And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.

   (EZEKI 23:4) And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.

   (EZEKI 23:5) And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,

(EZEKI 23:6) Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.

   (EZEKI 23:7) Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.

   (EZEKI 23:8) Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.

   (EZEKI 23:9) Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.

   (EZEKI 23:10) These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword: and she became famous among women; for they had executed judgment upon her.

   (EZEKI 23:11) And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.

   (EZEKI 23:12) She doted upon the Assyrians her neighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men.

   (EZEKI 23:13) Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way,

   (EZEKI 23:14) And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion,

   (EZEKI 23:15) Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:

   (EZEKI 23:16) And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.

   (EZEKI 23:17) And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.

   (EZEKI 23:18) So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister.

   (EZEKI 23:19) Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.

   (EZEKI 23:20) For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

   (EZEKI 23:21) Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

   (EZEKI 23:22) Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;

   (EZEKI 23:23) The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans,

   (MATTH 23:37) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

4:20) Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

   (JOHN 4:21) Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

   (JOHN 4:22) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

   (JOHN 4:23) But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

   (GALAT 4:23) But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

(GALAT 4:24) Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

   (GALAT 4:25) For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

   (GALAT 4:26) But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

   (GALAT 4:27) For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the
desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

   (GALAT 4:28) Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

   (GALAT 4:29) But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

17) And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and
there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the
throne, saying, It is done.

   (REVEL 16:18) And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

   (REVEL 16:19) And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

   (REVEL 18:9) And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

   (REVEL 18:10) Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

   (REVEL 18:11) And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

   (REVEL 18:12) The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

(REVEL 18:13) And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

   (REVEL 18:14) And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

   (REVEL 18:15) The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

   (REVEL 18:16) And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

   (REVEL 18:17) For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

   (REVEL 18:18) And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

   (REVEL 18:19) And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her
costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

   (REVEL 18:20) Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

   (REVEL 18:21) And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

   (REVEL 18:22) And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

   (REVEL 18:23) And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations
deceived.

   (REVEL 18:24) And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

   (REVEL 19:1) And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

   (REVEL 11:8) And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

   (REVEL 11:13) And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

From: joie

Sent: 10/29/2001 8:22 PM

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All the Scriptures about Jerusalem are prophecies of the church. Jerusalem is not just the O.T. people of God; it is also the N.T. people, the church. Jerusalem is the name of God. He allowed his saints to go by His name.

Until people see what Paul meant when he said there is not difference in the Jew and the Greek, they will never really see the full truth of the Word. He joined both the Jew and the other peoples of the World into ONE NEW MAN, the Church.

Now, just exactly as the O.T. Jerusalem turned and worshipped idols, thus becomeing a 'whore' to God; the church did the very same thing. The Catholic church is the Mother whore church and all the others are the same; her daughters; also harlots.

All are into idol worship. Just watch them from now till the end of the year; and into Jan 1st. All you will see is one idolostrous festival after another one. One party after another. One 'merry making' after another.

Just as Israel tried to serve God; but they carried their idols all the time they were in the wilderness; their Malcom; their bail, their Tamnuz; their Murdock; etc. etc. The church is just the same: they try to serve God (just as little as possible)---but there is their Santa clause; their easter bunnies; their halloween doings; their raindeers; their movies stars; their parties; their ball games; etc. etc. More idols than any else in the whole world ever had.

Even their church buildings are idols to them.

Let someone call out in righteousness; to try to turn them back to the Spirit of Holiness; you will see their hair rise in indignation; their 'claws' will shoot out; their tongue will become a sharp sword; they will rant and rave like a mad thing. Try to take them away from their old x-mess, and see the devil come to the surface!!

Take away their decorated 'green trees' and hell will break out.

I could go on with this from now on; but unless God quickens truth to one, they will turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to all this.

But I tell you in the name of the Lord, That old Catholic whore church mothered her protestant harlot daughter churches; then the pentecostals followered suit. They just could not resist that old Santa, that old green tree worship; that old bunny carrying all those eggs; all those parades; ect ect.

God dealt with nations in the O.T. days; but in these last days (the N.T.) He dealt with churches. Their pattern is exactly the same. The same Scriptures which tell of the nations in the past; are the same Scriptures which tell of the rise and fall of the church.

They follow exactly the same pattern: Israel made the O.T. image to the beast. The church makes the N.T. image to the beast. There is no difference. The churches today are in whordoms against God.

From: joie

Sent: 10/30/2001 10:45 PM

I hope many of you will get into this study; not so much to post answers or questions; but I mean to study this subject at home. Study all these Scriptures I have shown on this subject.

When you see the true revelation of all this, it will shatter many of the lying teachings of the harlot churches. Most of their false doctrines revolve around this subject in one way or another.

The false 'rapture' teaching will be shown to be just that: FALSE---when you uncover the secrets of this true teaching.

The false teaching that just 2 single men will be these end-time witnesses will be proven false by the truth of these Scriptures. You will see clearly that it is all the redeemed of God.

Glory ,Praise our God.

The changing to immortal before the thousand years also will prove to be false. And much more. So, where does that leave most of the teachings of the harlot churches? Out in the cold = false.

So, it is easy to see how they took the world into darkness. But the evening light will do away with the darkness; replacing it with the true light.

The 'shepherds' should have gone to the 'school' of all night long studying the Word; year after year; instead of to 'seminar' school. For they are taught by the harlot church. Then they might have found the truth, instead of just lazily following along with the already made-up lies.

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