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Your stories : Please help! 18 yr. old. daughter
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From: XtraMSN NicknameSaddened4  (Original Message)Sent: 26/09/2008 12:47 a.m.
I have been searching for years online, in libraries, everywhere I could think of for any information, stories, etc. of someone, somewhere that has been through what I've been through with my daughter.  I am so relieved to have finally found this site!  I have tried telling my story to friends, family, really just anyone who would listen and have found that noone can comprehend the HELL my daughter has put me through. 
 
My daughter is 18, pregnant, living in the basement of her boyfriend's mom's house. (just a note, I had talked to her numerous times about unprotected sex she was taken to the doctor and was supposedly on birth control but just didn't use it) As bad as this sounds, it is nothing compared to how she has treated her father and me in the past several years.  I realize that some of her behavior is somewhat typical for a teenager, such as cussing us, lying to us, and disrespecting us, but what hurts us so much and bothers us so badly is the lack of remorse she has for anything.  She has never shed a tear, never told anyone for any reason that she is sorry.  She seems to have no concept of right and wrong and looking back she never really has.  She has threatened suicide numerous times in the past few years and because of her lack of fear and concern, we have taken the threats seriously which has absolutely terrified us.  She has used us for what she could get out of us and as soon as we decided we were giving no more and as soon as she turned 18 she was pregnant and out of here.  She does still call us when she needs our help with something or wants to torture us some more.  Her father still answers her calls but I won't let myself anymore, it just hurts to bad.  She has punched holes in our walls, fought us, stashed liquor in her room numerous times, come home so drunk she almost died from alcohol poisoning, used drugs, sex with every guy she has dated, stayed out all night with boys, ran away several times, the list goes on and on.  And as I said before, I know that some or all of these things are "typical" teen (not that that makes it ok) but she never understands that she's done anything wrong and ALWAYS twists everything around to put the blame on us, her parents.  She doesn't understand there are consequences for her actions.  I have tried so many times to make her understand all the pain she has caused us when all we've ever done is love her and as I've read on this website she takes my words and uses them against me, calling me a weak person and telling me I need help mentally.  She has had friends through the years but has one by one went crazy on every one for one reason or another until she has noone or least noone  for very long.  Her boyfriend, who she has been with on and off for the past couple years, seems to submissive to her.  She has beat him up several times almost killing him once by hitting him in the head with a glass bottle filled with sand.  I could write a book on all the pain and suffering she has caused mostly us but others too.  I will stop here for now.  I hope I haven't left anything of importance out and haven't said to much to bore you.  After researching and reading, I have decided that she has to have a mental problem.  A lot of the stories I have read on this website sounds identical to my story.  I know it is to late for us to help her even if we could but it sure does help knowing that I am not alone.  I thought I was the only person in the world that had raised such an"evil" child.  I have questioned everything her father and I have ever done in raising her and have even questioned whether or not we are fit to raise our son, thinking that he might turn out the same way.
 
I would greatly appreciate any comments, advice, anything to let me know I'm not alone.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!!


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From: XtraMSN NicknamespidervikeSent: 26/09/2008 1:34 a.m.
Wish There was help for you but unfortunately. everyone here knows the only thing you can do is protect yourself and any other siblings still living at home. Also you and your husband need to work together cause they love nothing more than to drive a wedge between you. We have a twenty year old that has done everything yours has. used and abused anyone and everyone. The unfortunate thing is now there's and innocent involved and trust me when i say they love to use their children for personal gain and to garner sympathy. Just Know that there was nothing you did wrong raising her to make her this way. there is no cure and no matter of counseling can help them. Ours loves deals. there isnt a deal she wont make. But you are the only one holding up your end of the bargain. I feel for you. good luck....

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamepandora721Sent: 26/09/2008 4:02 p.m.
Hi and pleased to meet you.welcome to the site.
 
We know the hell you talk about, we have all walked in your shoes....
 
Just now before the baby is born you have some peace.even if you are confused and dazed at the emotional batterring you have all just been through.
 
Theres nothing these sick people use more effectively against us than our own grandchildren...and there is very little we can do to stop them.
 
There is much information to be found within this site, this was about the one thing( and the people who use these boards.).that saved my sanity. You need to learn fast in order to protect yourself.
 
Your daughter is 18?...In UK that equates to an adult.here your daughter would legally no longer be your problem.
 
You can only change your own behaviour, nobody else's. I have found the only way for any peace is no contact at all with my daughter.......and that has to be the hardest thing in the world.to turn your back on your own flesh and blood.
 
Life here was good til my daughter hit 14.and like you, I thought it was extreme teenage behaviour..but it wasn't, and the bad behaviour just escalated.
 
There were plenty earlier signs that things were not right from quite an early age.but we didn't see things for what they were.....you just accept things as normal...its only poor parenting and bad famillies that have kids like these......right?.....well my daughter came from a very good family and never sufferred any abuse or hardships her whole life., there is no excuse for her being as she is apart from the fact she just is.
 
Hugs for you today.
 
 
 
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From: XtraMSN Nicknamegolflady0Sent: 28/09/2008 6:49 p.m.
Hi Saddened - I am sorry to say your story is so similar to my own; except my (adpoted) daughter is 21, has 2 kids, and is living in my basement while her sick, shiftless husband is in prison for the second time.  She was 14 when she was diagnosed with ODD and ADD.  She stopped seeing a pdoc when she was 18 and just started again a few months ago.   The diagonsis now is ADD and bi-polar disorder with anxiety.  I had thought the ODD was a precurser to ASPD orNPD but neither seemed to fit exactly; she just has a lot of these traits such as pathalogical lying, no regard for other people etc.  But the bi-polar fits perfectly and it is easy to identify when she's in a manic state.  They haven't yet found a treatment that works for her.
I think the best thing for you to do is radically alter (lower) your expectations.  You may recieve a pleasant shock after the baby is born.  Ours decided to try to be a good Mom - she thinks she is wonderful and in fact she is adequate (barely) but has  for the most part stopped drug and alcohol abuse.  I can say for sure that her myriad of mental problems is genetic not due to the way she was raised.  Harden your heart toward these miserable creatures and try to let the natural consequences of their actions occur and protect yourself financially.  Keep us posted.
Kathy 

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From: XtraMSN NicknamesparkysmoonladySent: 29/09/2008 7:15 a.m.
Hi Saddened
 
I am sorry to read your story - and you have come to the right place
 
Everyone here - EVERY ONE of us
 
Knows what your daughter is putting you through
 
I don't know if you can find a TOUGH LOVE programme where you are living. What TOUGH LOVE says is
 
"We love you but we hate what you are doing. If you want to do it - go away and do it somewhere else"
 
TOUGH LOVE is hard - it is tough love - but it is the only way to go
 
My kids' dad and I started that programme and when we signed up we were warned that some of these kids die
 
And ours did.
 
Your daughter is threatening suicide and there is every chance that it might happen - whether she really means to or not and -
 
One thing that is important is to realise that there are people out there for whom there are no boundaries except death and if they take that road then that is their choice as hard as it is for the rest of us - and we can be here for you if that happens.
 
The other thing is that she's female. Female children can present us with grandchildren that can be a bone of contention.
 
You have to protect yourself and the other members of your family and go every hard road and be as hard as you have to be for the well-being of everyone else in the circle.
 
About raising an "evil" child. I know I saw my son as evil from when he was a baby - and I have two children and I know the difference.
 
The first was an adopted child - a boy - who eventually killed himself
 
Our daughter was the surprise - the baby I was told I was most unlikely to have
 
She's wonderful - and she rarely talks about her brother - she's 36 now and when she gets older she might.
 
Write what ever you need to
 
Sparky

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From: just-meSent: 14/11/2008 11:41 p.m.

You’ve waited too long. Get her into treatment immediately and make sure that child is put up for adoption<o:p></o:p>


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