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Politics-HotTpic : Roze, does Dan's post mean we can't kick some liberal California bootee????
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From: MSN Nicknamehissyspit  (Original Message)Sent: 4/3/2004 3:48 AM
Roze,
   Just read Dan's post and do you think this means we can't kick some liberal California Bootee here? Dang, they have got my home state so screwed up and your stuck there in the Gay Bay and still having to suffer it. Anyways let me know what idiots may be doing what back there okay?
    I think Arnie needs to ban Twinkies for the election year don't you?


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From: MSN NicknameStregaSulaSent: 4/5/2004 2:00 AM
Wayyyyelll, Hiss --
 
The only thing I'd like is EQUAL tree-shaking time, eh?  We all know it's considered a faux pas to speak against the liberal ideologies, now don't we?  People gasp, and open their eyes wide if -- gawd forbid -- someone shouldn't parrot the party line. 
 
Although, I must admit, it's fairly easy to pick apart what I call a lock-step liberal's "arguments" -- because they aren't true argument -- usually memorized soundbites.  Tee hee. . .

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From: DanSent: 4/7/2004 12:19 AM
Heh, heh.  We'll see about that.  Heh, heh. 
 
And you're telling me that "lock step liberal" isn't a sound bite?  And anyway, I live in Texas, where when we say the Pledge of Allegience at our meetings, one of the guys actually says,
 
"One Republican Nation, Under God, ...." 
 
 Like that.  Drives me nuts.  I can't express any of my political views, because they get mad at me.  It's like I'm  Un-American.  They all have the same "lock step conservative" world view where everyone should get a job and work their way up and buy their own health insurance and disability insurance and long term care insurance, and they should be all able to do that with equal ease.
 
There's no room for exceptions in this world view.  There's no room for my friend, who's husband left her with 4 young children, and who came down with Cancer last year, and because she owned her own trailer, worth more than $40,000 she was unable to get any help.  She died of that cancer, and at the very end was finally able to at least get some help with some morphine for the pain. 
 
But that was all.  There wasn't really any need for her to die.  She could have been treated.  Now the state is bringing up 4 children.  What's wrong with this picture? 
 
Bah, don't get me started.  There's many more examples like that, right on our message boards.  Are those party line?  Are those party line "lock step liberal" arguements?  Those people trying to get SSD and who can't get it because of a beurocracy that pretty much just turns down everyone at first try, is that some sort of liberal thing there?  Or is there a genuine need for some sort of oversight on the SSD people and some sort of overhaul of that system? 
 
And there's so much more the government could be doing, but it's broke and getting broker by the day, since the surplus we had has been spent and we're now in a huge deficit.  Where did all that money go in 3 short years?  Not to me.  Did it go to you?  No?  Did it go to anyone you know?  No?  Well where did those billions and billions and billlions of dollars go?  Do you even want to know? 
 
Heh heh.  Look you got me started.  I gotta quit fooling around here and get to the other boards.
 
Dan
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameStregaSulaSent: 4/7/2004 2:19 AM
I'm sorry for your friend's illness and death, Dan;  also sorry for her 4 kids.  Where's the daddy?  A Republican would hunt his sorry keister down and make him take some responsibility. 
 
The WORST treatment *this* mother's had recently was at the hands of a flaming far left-wing liberal on the bench.  She objected to my 8 years as a stay at home mother and wife.  Out loud; in public court.  And hammered me for it, to boot.  Took everything from me.  What was the point you were trying to make? 
 
The only other comment that's worthwhile making follows:
 
You really, really need to check the affiliations, politically, of those people who ADMINISTER the health/welfare programs around the country, Dan.  I can comfortably guarantee you they are NOT Republicans.  Texan or otherwise. 
 
Yeah, yeah, and when Clinton was in office, it was the Evil Republican Congress that was responsible for all the nastiness, right?   His shite didn't smell, right?  "Define smell."  Mr. I Love NAFTA.   Been waving goodbye to j-o-b-s for years now, Dan.   Guess what affiliation administrates NAFTA? 
 
Doggy poop. 

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From: MSN NicknameDoofiebutt421Sent: 4/7/2004 3:09 AM
Stregasula....
YOU GO GIRLFRIEND!!!!..... Get down on those Demmies....or Dummies.....Ah Hell...when Sex Fiend Clinton was in office, 60% of the corporations didn't even pay taxes....that was between the years of 1996 and 2000! The man had his head buried somewhere, so the big wigs decided it was safe to not pay them....

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From: DanSent: 4/11/2004 12:49 AM
<sigh>  You continually take one person's behavior and translate that to an entire group of people.  I'm sorry that there was a judge you perceived as liberal who ruled against you.  That doesn't make every liberal a bad person. 
 
Frankly I doubt that lowlife who left my friend had any political affiliation, but since it's Texas, my guess is he was a Republican.  LOL  Everyone else is. 
 
NAFTA is a series of agreements between the US, Canada and Mexico, so it's really not "administrated" except by the appropriate administration officials of the party in power, Republicans right now, last time I looked.  Sorry, but not too many US jobs going to Canada or Mexico.  NAFTA isn't the problem.  The problem is the current tax sturcture which allowed corporations to write off the costs of moving plants overseas. 
 
So companies have been closing down plants here, and writing off the capital losses on their taxes, and building in Bangladesh, India, Ceylon, and every other third world country where they can hire for a dollar an hour and no bennefits and they write off the cost to build the new factories too. 
 
Now they got a brand new, state of the art factory, in a third world country and it's being run by people working for substandard wages with no benefits and no Worker's Compensation protection, and no age limit either, so they can hire as young as they want.  Whole families are going to work under sometimes hazardous conditions in repetative jobs. 
 
Great for capatalism, huh? 
 
That's where the jobs are going the past three years, Roze.  NAFTA has nothing to do with it, and W and the Republican congress have everything to do with it.
 
We've lost more than 3 million jobs in this country in the 3 years since Bush took over, Roze.  That's 3,000,000 plus jobs lost.  During the Clinton years net jobs were being created every year.  The Clinton Presidency was the longest peacetime economic expansion in the century. 
 
That's a fact, Roze.  NAFTA didn't impact jobs.  George W. Bush and the Republican congress did. 
 
You can't dispute that.  It's a cold, hard fact.  You say you like facts, well, here's one for you.  In the combined years of the Bush presidencies, both Bush presidents that is... In all those years, not ONE new net job was created. 
 
Cow manure on anyone who claims otherwise.
 
Rats, running out of time.  Gotta go.
 
Oh, Doofers, corporations don't pay taxes.  That's a function of our campaign finance system, not anything Clinton did. 
 
How many corporations paid their taxes last year, or the year before?  Hmmmm, they didn't tell you that, huh? 
 
Believe me, it's not because the numbers aren't available.  It's because they would loose the impact of talking about the "Clinton years". 
 
Tell me how many have paid under Bush, for a comparrison, then I'll see if it's significant or not.  OK?
 
Hugs,
 
Dan
 
 

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From: MSN NicknamehissyspitSent: 4/12/2004 7:32 PM
Okay Dan, if jobs aren't going down to Mexico, can you please convince the several unemployed and laid off workers in my county? We have had three major factories close and guess where the work went? Yep, Mexico, our southern neighbor.
   And just this past week, one of the larger companies within driving distance of my house but over one state, was bought out by Canada and now the workers who want there jobs are going to have to concede to the wants of the Canadian Corperation that bought the company.
     Oh yeah, and if I remember right one of the largest employers in central California shut down and sent everything down to Mexico right before I left. So what that make the count that I know of for sure of jobs going north and south of us? At least five? Oh and all but one of those changes affected someone I knew personally.

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From: DanSent: 4/12/2004 11:11 PM
You're thinking parochially, again.  Just because this happened near you doesn't make it universal.  I live in Texas, for goodness sakes.  LOTS of our jobs went to Mexico.
 
I don't doubt that many jobs go to rebuilt factories in Mexico or Canada. But the BULK of jobs are going to Indonesia, Formosa, Viet Nam, etc, etc, etc.  Just go to any dry goods store and start to read where things are made...  You'll soon see what I mean.  Comparatively few labels will say "Made in Mexico" or "Made in Canada".  Almost none will say "Made in the USA".
 
Dan

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