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| | From:  hissyspit (Original Message) | Sent: 4/12/2004 7:24 PM |
LOL! What a chuckle I had when I read your reply and it said that old Billy Boy was a womanizer because his wife wore the pants. Okay I will bite and send this back via the fishing line and let you reel it in. First do you supposed that based on the fact that he came from a fairly dysfunctional family life that politics were a perfect place to continue the lies that were inside of him and at the same time he was able to look like he rose above them. Personally I think too many of our leaders have some serious problems and it doesn't matter what party you point at. Denial knows know party lines and plays no favorites. So beleive me I do not hold just Billy Boy in contempt. Then there is our dear Hillary. She as far as I am concerned just about the last thing we need as far as leadership for women, especially one like me. I totally beleive in standing by my man but only if he is honest and faithful to me. When two people make a commitment to share that bed, if it isn't doing it for you, then get out of the relationship and head on down the road. There is nothing worse than having to share your bed with a total stranger or worse someone you may know. Of course I know that my good book says I am to forgive. Yeah I forgave my ex, but it sure doesn't say in the Good Book I have to continue sharing the bed. Forgiveness is letting go of the anger and the need for revenge, it doesn't say keep the bedroom open and wait for it to happen again. But moreover, I hold my leaders to a higher standard of behavior than I do the general public. When you choose to be a leader and take the faith and trust of those you serve, then you are twice committed to obeying the law. Thus those leaders that break it are twice more accountable in my book. It doesn't matter the party, I hold that for all leaders. In a sad way I feel sad for Hillary. It's sad when people spend years in a relationship thinking some how they can fix this kind of behavior or denying it doesn't happen. That is why Hillary set the woman's movement back so far in my book. No she wasn't a heroine who forgave her hubby, she was another case of denial and the continuing of letting this kind of thing being okay. It just furthered the sickness of the lack of moral ethics in our country. What a blow for our young people who think that divorce is a normal way of life. Not that divorce shouldn't happen, but that maybe we should learn to consider things more before we make that kind of commitment. I have 21 years now with the same man and I have never stepped out and neither has he. When this whole Monica mess came up, we were angry because of the example it set down before our children. We weren't perfect parents but we did try and raise our children to value love and realize that when two people are in love, that the union of that love was for the edification of that union. Thus if our leaders, regardless of party are out "bonking" young girls, then they are very wrong. And if you take a long honest look, it is even more sad that our young women feel they have to "bonk" in order to get among the ranks. |
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| | | From: Dan | Sent: 4/12/2004 11:00 PM |
| I couldn't agree with you more. Bill Clinton came from a very dysfunctional family, and yes, I think he's risen above a lot of it, but not all, obviously. I wonder if a person can rise above all of their upbringing if it was bad... This is a point i've been trying to make to Roze without any success whatsoever. Other leaders (and I was refering to foreign leaders) shouldn't be bonking young women. For some reason though, young women seem to throw themselves at powerful men. They should refuse them. I know. People should be faithful to each other. Yes they should. And I know how it feels when they're not faithful. My first wife divorced me and married my best friend after she got pregnant by him. It's just not a perfect world, is it? I got my first ulcer over that one. And speaking of a perfect world, I think Hillary had a bit of a "rock and a hard place" to think about. Should she divorce him? What would that say about the institution of marriage? Or should she stay with him, and perhaps incur the wrath of women like yojjjju, who felt she was a fool. I believe she speaks to this in her book. Though that's hearsay, as I've not read it myself. Hugs, Dan | | | |
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Dan, I dare say that I will probably not buy the book. I don't think there is anything I want to hear about such things. I think it always important that we forgive but the forget part I think has exceptions to it. Thus I find that remembering why I forgave a person reminds me of the lessons I needed to learn from it and keeps me going forward and perhaps may keep me from making the same mistake. |
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| | | From: Dan | Sent: 4/13/2004 10:03 PM |
Oh, I'm good friends with my first wife. And my old best friend is still a good friend of mine. I believe in forgiving and letting bygones be bygones. I'm friends with my second wife too, even though she betrayed my trust, and walked out on me when I really needed her. I was devastated emotionally. It took a year to get over my anger at her, and to quit falling to pieces every time I saw her, or heard her name, or heard from her, as in getting the divorce done. I cried like a baby for several months. But then, I pulled myself together, and got on with my life. Will I make the same mistake again? I hope not, but I also know that in order to love, you've got to risk being hurt. So here I am again, with another woman in my life and we'll see where it leads eventually. Anyway, I guess the point is, that it is possible to forgive and if not forget, then at least to move on past pretty bad betrayals and hurts. I don't know, maybe you've just been lucky and it's never happened to you. Both those women were important in my life, and I didn't want to give up the relationship completely. Would I take them back? No. However, I did want to keep them in my life as friends. Did I learn enough to keep me from making the same mistake again? Well, apparently not. I got dumped on all over again. Hugs Dan |
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Don't worry about it too much Dan, men just learn slower than women. LOL!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| | | From: Dan | Sent: 4/15/2004 1:09 AM |
<Sigh> Yeah, I know. I know. And here I am, out there swinging again. Doh! I mean, what's it gonna take to get me to wake up? LOLOL <Grin> Dan |
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I couldn't agree more with both of you. Kris(Queen) |
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Dan, What will it take you to learn? A brick from behind? A crowbar to the eyebrow? At least you would see it coming lol. A bat to the brain? Who knows, not any woman anyways, men still make no sense, may never either. LOL |
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| | | From: nanp | Sent: 4/15/2005 9:33 PM |
maby a new party should be called bonkers lol |
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