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From: Dan  (Original Message)Sent: 11/18/2004 11:17 PM
We're getting this sanitized version of the war on the news.  And we get these video games, some of them made as recruitment tools by the Army that is supposed to depict what war is like, but of course it doesn't come close...  That's what this article I'm about to paraphrase was really about, how the Army was misreprsenting war in it's recruitment. 
 
But the same words can be used for us who are not really involved in thinking about the horror our men and women are enduring.  The latest statistic I'm hearing is that there's a high percentage, like more than 10% of the men and women coming back from Iraq who are suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.  There's a reson for that, and here's some words that can help convey what they're going through...word's I've been unable to come up with myself.  It's from an article by a guy named Kyle Keiliszewski, in an article in Computer Games magazine.  The article is on page 28 and is called "What Isn't Simulated is Truth. 
 
WARNING:  THE FOLLOWING CONTAINS GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS OF COMBAT CONDTIONS.  DO NOT READ IF YOU ARE SENSITIVE ABOUT SUCH ISSUES
<< There're not showing the rivers of sweat that constantly seep into the eyes, stinging them and making it hard to see.  Nor do we see how not being able to bath but once a month creates a skin condition of plugged up sweat glands that causes severe itching at best, and sharp, needle-like pain in it's advanced stage. 
 
We aren't able to see how tedious hours are suddenly inturupted by moments of sheer terror, when you think you'll be killed and your friends around you are killed, where chaos abounds everwhere, where a grenade gets caught in your own gear; weapons jam; explosions kick the air out of lungs; the taste of cordite is everywhere; and the headaches from the sheer volume of weapons lasts sometimes for days. 
 
You can listen to the shouted voice of your buddy, and not understand a word he's saying; it's a struggle to breath; to remember how to breath; the terror is so palpable you cannot describe it.  The sound of bombs blasting is so powerful one feels as though one's body is being torn asunder. 
 
Then there's the aftermath, where the blood and the torn, burnt bodies have to be dealt with; when directions are given in macabe ways so that you're told to "take a right at headless Harry" or go left at "Legless Larry".  The populace is brutalized and smiles at you out of terror, not because they like you.  And the normally nice guy from the midwest, innured to the casual brutality and misery and violence becomes a menace to the civilians around you, and ends up planting captured weapons near their bodies so that they can be counted as "insurgents". 
 
And home is dreamt of as never before.  >> 
And it goes on and on. but I 've got to stop now.  I simply can't type any more of this.  It's too painful for me. 
 
And I tell you, it's not right we should be here, with no consequences for being at war.  Somehow, someway, we should be more involved in this thing. 
 
I'm sorry if this upsets anyone.  But it upset me a lot when I read it and I can't stop thinking about it.  It makes my problems in Oklahoma seem so very small. 
 
God bless our people in Iraq.  May they get through this without any permenent harm.  They need to be brought home soon just for their mental health.  We can't keep them over there very much longer, and we can't keep extending their tour of duty.  It's just wrong. 
 
Love to all,
 
Dan


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From: DanSent: 11/21/2004 12:58 AM
Well, I'm not surprised no one wanted to respond to this, I guess.  It wasn't a particularly nice post and not very uplifting, was it? 
 
I'm sorry if it offended anyone.  Of if it frightened anyone or made anyone sad.  It just seemed to me that we're all unaware of what that war, and any war does to people.  We don't know what soldiering is really about.  It's not nice and clean and oh, so easy like the pentagon would have us believe.  No, it's nasty, and dirty and loud and terror filled.  And I thought that guy had found some words that really captured the truth of combat, at least somewhat.  It's something you can't get from a movie or a show or TV or a video game.
 
I'll remove it if you want me to. 
 
Dan

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From: MSN NicknameKatie437Sent: 11/28/2004 9:07 PM
You know Dan, I am amazed that the average America has no clue how many US soldiers have been lost in this war.  Weather you believe in the war or not, how it is being fought or not, is not the point.  There have been, since the war began March 19, 2003, 1,235 American deaths....969 of those in combat.  There have been over 9000 injured.
They sure don't like to show these numbers on the news very often but we should all know these numbers very well.  I am proud of every soldier that is over there or at home.  We should say a prayer for each one of these lives.

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From: DanSent: 11/28/2004 11:33 PM
Those are the injuries of the body, Katie.  The injuries of the mind are even worse in some cases and there's a lot more of those than we're being told too. 
 
They're putting mental health workers near the front lines in Iraq now.  Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome is taking a huge toll from soldiers over there. 
 
Hugs,
 
Dan

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From: MSN NicknameShelley215Sent: 11/29/2004 4:01 AM
Dan,
 
I am sorry..... I have just read your post and I as a
Mother of a Soldier in Iraq, I hear these words for so many of our young boys and girls struggling to make every second count, every day count, trying to hold on as if they just want to burst out in tears...I feel for you Dan I know you have been through it I just don't know how to help you as you try to help me understand the horror and the love for one's Country...
I am so proud of my SON he is a terrific Medic, I Love him Dearly...I just want him home, he replys  to me all the time, MOm in time, I want to be here...OMG! I say to him why? Then he sends me pictires of little kids and he's holding them...says he is helping to teach them, his unit buys them all new desks...What am I as a MOm suppose to say? I raised him this way...God almighy did I, He was born with a lot of inside of him already he has his Dads and mine genes. We were the same way still are. We always had kids here, helped them did things for them that there parents wouldn't do, so u see It is in him...
 
Thank You Dan for posting this I don't think others understand what they go through, for instance my young sister...she gets me so mad I could fly to Florida and smack her once in the head.
She has the nerve to tell my Son thats in Iraq that how dare he didn't call her to say to her thank you for a box she sent to him, she did this through email and I was so mad that she had the nerve not to stop and think that he could not stop a war to say it to her at the time. She doesn't understand that when there out on a mission that there are no phones, that he couldn't go to his commander and say can I call my Aunt meg? I still to this day will never forgive her, I tried to talk to her and the more I did the more mad I got, she is the most I can't even find a word for her, I should send this post to her and maybe than? Or Maybe not? I really doubt it tho...she just thinks she is the one who should be first all the time, it's pitiful, I told her I am the MOM and I don't get as many calls as I like, but I as a MOM
understand..than she goes to neighbor to neighbor showing his picture and I said to her please add that you will not talk to him now because he didn't say thnak you!
I told her it's going to be her conscience if something hapens that she is doing this to him...I just can't understand how people think especially family! She has the nerve to say to me she'll never thank him or anyone of us again for anything! I can't believe she doesnt think and stop he is protecting her as well as many other families...here and there.
Anyone want her address? I would be more than happy to give it to you...
 
I cry Dan all the time you know I do, I can see that you have the same heart as I.
 
Thank You Dan from the bottom of my Heart, if I were next to you I would give u a big hug and try to make you forget what you have seen. Just as I am going to with my own son.
 
God Bless You
Love, shelley

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From: MSN NicknameShelley215Sent: 11/29/2004 4:04 AM
Dan please dont ever delete this post I thank you for it
Love shelley

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From: DanSent: 11/29/2004 10:41 PM
Shelley, I worried when I posted it and you were the one I worried about.  I know your son is there and well, I didn't want you to see the horror war really is.  I figured you have enough to worry about. 
 
That's why the big red warning.  I wanted you to have plenty of warning if you maybe didn't want to read that, because I didn't pull any punches.  Until I saw that article I've not been able to say what it's like to have explosives go off around you, and to have gunfire going off like that and what that utter chaos is really like.  I just didn't have the words.  That guy found them for me.  And you know, I never really saw any intense action.  What I saw was enough though; and it scared me half to death. 
 
I won't delete it, hon.  Not if you don't want me to.  You were the one I was worried about.  And I'm glad it is a post you felt was worthwhile. 
 
Love and hugs,
 
Dan

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From: MSN NicknameShelley215Sent: 11/30/2004 3:24 AM
Dan,
You never have to worry about me and posting things that are true.
Why? My son already had the skin rash u talked about the one that it makes them swell, he told me he tells me everything. I am glad he does because if he didnt he would hold it in and it's not good.
Never ever be afraid of posting truth Dan, Promise me you won't. Everything you put in the post that the man wrote is really the gods honest truth. I am happy u see they should be rotated more often It hurts me to think that these young girls and boys are seeing these things so much it will hurt them mentally forever. You are right, it's worse mentally than physically...
War is cold, I know this, I saw my Dad when he slept, repeatedly jump, repeatedly yell, if u touched him he would jump up and be ready to fight. My MOm explained it to us when we were older, we were so afraid of him, but yet he was the most pleasant man you ever met. Everyone loved him...It was the night that got him, he was in China Burma Indian fighting...It had to be terribly for him. He worked on the planes...so I am sure he saw some things inside of them just as they saw on the front line, by cleaning the blood and guts it had to be terrifying for him..
Dan you are right again, one other has posted, it isn'ta pretty post, but its war is there and they have to face it.
Love, shelley
I'd still give u a hug! Just for being there Dan..

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From: DanSent: 11/30/2004 8:49 PM
You're right.  The mental impact of war is often worse than the physical impact.  That's why they're having so many cases of PSTD coming out of Iraq, and why they need to rotate those boys and girls more often.  They need to be brought out of that environment more often. 
 
Thanks for the hug.    When I got off the airplane coming back from my tour I was spit on, and had red dye thrown on me and got called a baby killer.  Sheesh, they couldn't tell I was a medic?   
 
Anyway, I'll always try to tell the truth, hon.  I just was worried about your reaction to it. 
 
You know, some people do OK in that environment, especially if they're not involved in the actual killing.  Your son is involved in saving lives, so there's a big difference in what he's doing. 
 
Hugs and love,
 
Dan

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From: MSN NicknameShelley215Sent: 12/1/2004 12:32 AM
Dan,
If they were there with you would they have done this to you? I doubt it very much, when someone has a gun pointing in your face or has a bomb tied to themselfs, I think they would think differently, I would. I am not for war myself, but I sit and watch what's going on in this world and I think MY GOD, we have to do this if we don't we will be just like them. Believe me Dan I don't want there ethics, I don't want them here. I just want our borders watched and bring our children home...Eight hours away is all they are from me, I can't believe a culture could be this way.
I just pray for everyone in this world I dont know if it will help but it wont hurt.
Love, shelley
 
PS red dye? OMG...I guess it represented blood?

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From: DanSent: 12/1/2004 11:45 PM
That was the late 60's and early 70's hon.  The Anti war movement was in full swing. 
 
And I just erased about 5 paragraphs of stuff. 
 
I still don't want to think about those times.  I'm sorry hon.  But yeah, the dye was supposed to be blood. 
 
Hugs and love,
 
Dan

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From: MSN NicknameKatie437Sent: 12/10/2004 3:30 AM
Dan, I am so so sorry that you had that happen to you.  It makes me cry for you and all of the others that it happend to.  It just sickens me.  It is very strange to think that the same people who did that to you might have sons and daughters or  grandchildren over fighting right now.....hmmm.....wonder how they feel about their actions now.
Shelley I think about you all the time.  I feel for you so very much.  I know how proud you are of your son but how painful it is at the same time.  You are always in my prayers.  I pray that your son will soon be home and I want you to thank him for me someday when your sitting and talking with him.  Just tell him that someone that he does not know thinks he is pretty special.  I am still hoping that my nephew will be able to come home on Feb. 8th.  We will see...
God bless you Dan and Shelley
Katie

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From: DanSent: 12/11/2004 12:19 AM
Hey, Katie.  You know, I never thought of that.  Wouldn't that be a hoot? 
 
<Dan says a little prayer, "Oh please, God, let it be true."> 
 
I mean talk about poetic justice.  LOLOL  Bah, those kinds of people wouldn't even put the two together.  LOL  Oh well, it gave me a smile. 
 
Hugs and love,
 
Dan

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From: MSN NicknameKatie437Sent: 12/12/2004 12:50 AM
Dan I can't help but think that there is no way that someone who did those kinds of things to our soldiers would not have a flash back to what they did as they sat in an airport waiting for a loved one to come home from war.  I bet there are a lot of prayers for forgivness, at least I hope so.
I worry so much about the mental health of all of the soldiers.  I know my nephew drives a truck and has to load up bodies to take to get help.  He told me of some of those trips and it is awful.  He never knows how many of those bodies he placed in the back of his truck are going to be alive when he gets them there. 
So sad.
Hugs
Katie

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From: nanpSent: 4/15/2005 9:28 PM
yes i am awhare i just wish things could be dealt with diffrenty.it makes me sick . and terafied for all hugs nan

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