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Politics-HotTpic : Letter from Michael Moore to P Bush
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From: shellzee212  (Original Message)Sent: 9/6/2005 8:50 AM

Date: Sep 4, 2005 10:27 PM

Friday, September 2nd, 2005

Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush


Friday, September 2nd, 2005

Dear Mr. Bush:

Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">New Orleans</st1:place></st1:City> and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag.

Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?

Last Thursday I was in south <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Florida</st1:place></st1:State> and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">New Orleans</st1:place></st1:City>. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!

I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to <st1:State w:st="on">Louisiana</st1:State>, you flew to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">San Diego</st1:place></st1:City> to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?

And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">New Orleans</st1:place></st1:City> this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!

On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">New Orleans</st1:place></st1:City> so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.

There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the <st1:place w:st="on">Gulf of Mexico</st1:place> is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from <st1:State w:st="on">New York</st1:State> to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cleveland</st1:place></st1:City>.

No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">New Orleans</st1:place></st1:City> lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kennebunkport</st1:place></st1:City>. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!

You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of <st1:City w:st="on">New Orleans</st1:City> and the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Gulf</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Coast</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> are near Tikrit.

Yours,

Michael Moore
[email protected]
www.MichaelMoore.com

P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now driving across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st.



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From: MSN NicknameDoofiebutt421Sent: 9/6/2005 12:34 PM
I despise Michael Moore, and have for YEEEEEEEEEARS!

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From: MSN NicknameTheboysmom16131Sent: 9/6/2005 2:36 PM
I so agree with you Doofie, the man makes me want to puke, he's not worth my time and should be worth anyone's time.  What a jerk!  Anne-marie

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From: DanSent: 9/6/2005 10:16 PM
See?  There ya go again. 
 
From me beloved Doofers, "I dispise Michael Moore." 
 
OK.  That's nice. 
 
Nothing about what he has to say.  You just hate him.  Well, it's hard to have discussion with that.  I mean, no offense but maybe you care to refute what he has to say? 
 
Could President Dubya have canceled a fund raiser, given the catastrophe in New Orleans?  Would his time maybe have been better spent jacking on the FEMA people to get a response going and to see how he could help? 
 
Was his "fly over" helpful?  Would him stopping have been better?  Did he really have to get back to Crawford that badly?  I mean, he's on vacation (again).  Of course, he's on vacation a lot. 
 
Did he, personally really reduce the Army corps of Engineers budget three years in a row so that they couldn't fix those dikes? 
 
These are all important questions.  Don't let your antipathy for Moore cloud your judgement.  No matter the messanger, if the message is true, then we need to open our ears. 
 
If these things are not true, then let's hear it.  As near as I can tell, they are true.  I cannot find anything that contradicts them.  Can you? 
 
Hugs and lots of love,
 
Dan

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From: MSN NicknametheboysmomtjSent: 9/7/2005 3:24 AM
Dan, what happen to the Governor and the Mayor of the City? Don't you believe it was their responsibility to have enough men and women on duty should something like this happen.  What I hear is the only message they sent was for food and water, not any man power.  Why is that? Is that Bushes fault?  Anne-Marie

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From: DanSent: 9/8/2005 12:49 AM
No, I believe they have full accountablity and I thiink they messed up badly.  I think they should have acted sooner and done a lot more.  I'm sure we'll learn more as time goes on. 
 
However, that doesn't change what President Bush did, or did not do, does it?  There was a whole lineup of poor response here, from the bottom up, or the top down, either way you want to look at it, and it goes back several administrations. 
 
Be that as it may, a response that you don't like Michael Moore doesn't make his points go away.  I'm just saying deal with his points, and don't duck behind not liking him, or what the governor or the mayor did or didn't do. 
 
What about what Dubya did or didn't do?  Is Moore right or wrong about his accusations?  Not do you like him or not.  Not is the mayor right or wrong.  Is BUSH accountable or not? 
 
Of course he's not.  That seems to be the Republican mind set, if you pardon my observation.  Blame someone else.  Or, if you can't do that, smear someone.  What happened to personal accountablity?  Where is it?  I have yet to see a single bit of that out of the man.  If he had a modicum of courage he would meet with Cyndy Sheehan.  But he hates to be told things he doesn't like to hear.  Bad trait in a leader if you ask me. 
 
Leaders need to hear bad things so they can act to correct them.  But Bush tends to shoot the messenger, and continue shooting them until the people around him get the message that they only bring good news to him.  Bah, you don't want to hear this, I know. 
 
Hugs and love anyway,  
 
Dan

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