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Who started the war, North or South? Jim January 1861 -- The South Secedes. When Abraham Lincoln, a known opponent of slavery, was elected president, the South Carolina legislature perceived a threat. Calling a state convention, the delegates voted to remove the state of South Carolina from the union known as the United States of America. The secession of South Carolina was followed by the secession of six more states -- Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas -- and the threat of secession by four more -- Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina. These eleven states eventually formed the Confederate States of America. February 1861 -- The South Creates a Government. At a convention in Montgomery, Alabama, the seven seceding states created the Confederate Constitution, a document similar to the United States Constitution, but with greater stress on the autonomy of each state. Jefferson Davis was named provisional president of the Confederacy until elections could be held. February 1861 -- The South Seizes Federal Forts. When President Buchanan -- Lincoln's predecessor -- refused to surrender southern federal forts to the seceding states, southern state troops seized them. At Fort Sumter, South Carolina troops repulsed a supply ship trying to reach federal forces based in the fort. The ship was forced to return to New York, its supplies undelivered. March 1861 -- Lincoln's Inauguration. At Lincoln's inauguration on March 4, the new president said he had no plans to end slavery in those states where it already existed, but he also said he would not accept secession. He hoped to resolve the national crisis without warfare. April 1861 -- Attack on Fort Sumter. When President Lincoln planned to send supplies to Fort Sumter, he alerted the state in advance, in an attempt to avoid hostilities. South Carolina, however, feared a trick; the commander of the fort, Robert Anderson, was asked to surrender immediately. Anderson offered to surrender, but only after he had exhausted his supplies. His offer was rejected, and on April 12, the Civil War began with shots fired on the fort. Fort Sumter eventually was surrendered to South Carolina. April 1861 -- Four More States Join the Confederacy. The attack on Fort Sumter prompted four more states to join the Confederacy. With Virginia's secession, Richmond was named the Confederate capitol. June 1861 -- West Virginia Is Born. Residents of the western counties of Virginia did not wish to secede along with the rest of the state. This section of Virginia was admitted into the Union as the state of West Virginia on June 20, 1863. These pictures were not taken in downtown Bagdad. No wonder the South considers the North to be an "occupying" army. |
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The Civil War used mainly Napoleonic tactics which were studied & reverred at West Point. The weapons were too modern for these tactics.
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T-Dog, May I say Prussian tactics? I believe you imported many advisory Officers from Prussia, and they left you with many legacies, such as the (hated) headgear, the absurd custom of reporting in the 3rd person "Sir, the Sergeant regrets there are 2 men absent from parade", all the ridiculous rituals of West Point....... On the other hand, they left you with the best military engineers and artillery in the World. Now, that counts. Cheers Peter |
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Flash, a massive artillery barrage followed by mass charges across open terrain. Napoleonic for sure. West Point was an engineering skool.
T-Dog
p.s. The Class Of 1846 is an excellent read about West Point. The "Point" itself is a great visit if you ever get across the pond. Sandhurst is molded after it. LOL. |
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Sorry, T-Dog Our Officer cadet training started in 1780 at Woolwich, and Sandhurst is merely the post-war incarnation. I saw some television documentaries of West Point, Plebes having to turn corners in corridors at 90 deg, eating by raising forks level with their mouths then pushing the food in horizontally, having to "Pop to" and /or do as many press-ups as an upper classman tells them to do, having to learn those stupid defninitions "What are you?" "Sir! the cadet is" - followed by some stupid mumbo jumbo. That's not Sandhurst. Thank God. Unless I graduated from a different place. We trained cadets to be gentlemanly, approachable, have empathy with their men, have faith in their judgement, and of course to be awesomely beautiful. Class of '71 Flash. |
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The tern "Civil war" is defined as a part of a country that want to take over the government of the country.( see definations as defined in United States General Order #100 issued april 1863)> Create a defination and Backdates its meaning. Sounds like the Kings of England. I can assure you that my nation did not want to take over the North. We just want to live in peace, grow our crops, provide jobs, prevent our children from associating with undesireables, promote quality breeding, and brew our own medican/tractor fuel. Let my people go sunny |
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Sunday, Your #4 Wasn't Pope in turn fired, and McLellan re-instated, in time to win another defeat at 2nd Manassas? By exactly the same tractics, listening overmuch to Pinkerton and refusing to move? Peter |
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sunnyboy, Having kicked out the British to create a new nation, The United States, it seems that history shows that your "country" The South, wanted to create it's own country less than a hundred years after gaining it's freedom by the combined forces of the north and south. Slavery wasn't the cause of the war. At one stage Britain and France thought of supporting the south. It was secession, the breaking up of a new country. Had it been allowed imagine border controls between states. Different agreements and treaties with countries, You could even have ended up by becomming Mexican, speaking Spanish as your first language. Had the war not taken place, America would not be as strong as it is now. Jim |
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Flash,
Re # 15
Order of Army of Potomac Commanders:
Irvin McDowell George McClellan Ambrose Burnside Joseph Hooker George Meade John Parke (took temporary command 4 times during Meade's absences)
John Pope was never considered the commander of that Army, but did command the Army of Virginia, and Lincoln had temporarily transferred the bulk of McClellan's troops to Pope at about the time of the 2nd Battle of Bull Run (2nd Manassas), then transferred them back to McClellan after that battle.
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Tin can the North had agreed to remove all its troops from the south. There were 4 forts in the south which the north renige one its word. 1 fort was Sumter, one in key west, one in Pensalocola Fla and I can not remember the 4th. All Northern troops were to be removed from the forts by end jan 1861 (I think that date is correct may not be). The "grand firworks display" was jusitied. To say that the south could not have stood alone is unjustified. Sunday--- What ever happened to the trial of Jefferson Davis. sunny |
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Jefferson Davis was a traitor who broke the oath. When his miserable ass was whipped he tried to escape wearing women's clothes. After the War his corrupt life was mericifully spared & he spent the rest of his days living off a women in Mississippi. Nothing more than a traitor pimp who should have been hung for treason.
T-Dog
p.s. I know Sunny will disagree, but he is the product of a brother/sister coupling. Typical in the south. |
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Sunnyboy, I had to declare a mistrial. Mr. Davis was convicted by his own lawyers and was thereby denied due process of law. I gave him immunity for when he strangled his lawyers with his bare hands. sunday |
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Now you know why we fired on those "other" people. "let my people go" sunny |
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