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I started this book yesterday. The author is Robin Maxwell. So far...so good. I read her The Secret Diary of Anne Boleyn and this kind of goes on with that story. Shows Elizabeth referring to her mother's diary now and again and the things that were revealed to her from it. Anyway...it's interesting to this point reading from her 'son's' point of view growing up in a different household and entirely different than how it 'could have been'...had he stayed with Elizabeth. I won't give anything away here though, for those who may not have read it yet. I've also picked up Virgin by Robin Maxwell to read. I also picked up a book called The Hidden Diary of Marie Antoinette by Carolly Erickson. I thought I'd give a go at something not so english....lol I have'nt started the last two yet. The other book on my list is The Sixth Wife by Susannah Dunn. I just love having so many books about me to read.....lol Any comments or input regading any of these are welcome! :) |
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Ooops sorry, my delete, I hit send sans the links to the threads  I just finished The Sixth Wife & tis reviewed HERE. I won't give away the denouement because it's a startling concept that I want peeps to enjoy for themselves  Also read The Secret Diary of Anne Boleyn last year, see HERE. I have Virgin but I cannot for the life of me recall if I've read it or not LOL I'm guessing prolly not as I failed to review it. The Queen's Bastard is an old concept, it should be intreresting to see Maxwell's take on it. I'm assuming the child is either Dudley's or Seymour's? |
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In The Queen's Bastard, the father is revealed early on. I won't tell here unless I'm asked to....don't want to spoil it it for those who do not want to know....lol But yes....it's one of those two. It's a bit heartbreaking reading from the childs point of view. Especially when things seem to happen that would not ordinarily happen to just a child born as he was suppose to be. |
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There are several novels that use the premise of Elizabeth having a secret child. One would think someone as proud as Elizabeth would have hurried up & got married to preserve the Tudor dynasty if she was breeding. |
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How could Elizabeth Tudor have a child without no one knowing, there is no real actual proof that Elizabeth ever had a child, I agree with Phillipa Gregory "The Virgin's lover" I don't believe Elizabeth was a virgin, but I think that since showed a lot of attention towards Robert, people started to gossip, which led into rumours which led into scandal, which then led into legends. Elizabeth was never away for 9 months from public, and if she stayed her stomach would of began to swell, and there were lots of reports saying how slim and willowy she was, and I am sure she wouldn't of kept the exact same willowy figure she had, like many reports say she did, till she grew near to death. |
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I haven'r read the book (The Queen's Bastard), but it must be Robert Dudley's legend child, lots of people were watching Thomas Seymour and Elizabeth extremely closely, and Elizabeth wouldn't even marry Thomas in secret, let alone risk conceiving his child. Elizabeth was a very moralised woman, and attracted many men because of it, not just because of her physical beauty, which was said to be breath taking, she probably lost her virginity to Robert Dudley, in the early years of her reign. |
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Once again, reposted sans email spam; would you kindly cease & desist with this already, chthonic? 
Much has been written about, when, and to whom, Elizabeth lost her virginity. And much has been written about her 'having a child'. She was too closely watched to have a child. Though a blind eye would be turned, for her to have a lover, provided 'he' was approved, and this before before she became Queen.
The politics of the various families would prohibit her from taking a lover, though it was known she had had lovers. Discretion was her middle name.
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From everything that I've read about Thomas Seymour and Elizabeth..I think Elizabeth used him pretty much as a toy. I think The Queens Bastard does lay out how if so inclined, the royals could get away with quite alot if so determined. I'm not saying it's true...but it makes for a good debate. Plus....at the end of the book, it does lay out a bit of foundation about this man supposedly her love child. Makes one wonder.... |
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In 'Marriage with my Kingdom' Alison Plowden suggests that if Elizabeth ever did lose her virginity, it was likely to have been to Thomas Seymour, since that was the only period of her life when she was not being very closely supervised. The rather lax nature of the Seymour household might have provided opportunities for lovemaking that she would never have again. Louise |
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I'd have to disagree with the notion of Elizabeth using Thomas Seymour as "a toy"; she was 13 years old & he was 40, & I don't think there's any doubt of who was "in control" of that relationship. Elizabeth appeared genuinely distressed at the pain she'd caused Catherine Parr by dallying with her husband, & on her part I don't think it was anything more than raging hormones coupled with Seymour's unscrupulous behavior fueling the fire there. Even in Tudor times, as it is now, it was frowned upon to commit incest, which was essentially what he was doing by taking shameless advantage of his wife's (& his) stepdaughter. Nowadays we'd call what he did child abuse or pedophilia (just look at that raid on the polygamist enclave in Texas that just went down, with 12 year olds forced into marriage with 50 year old pervs). Thomas Seymour was, as Elizabeth is said to have described him after, "a man of much wit but little sense", & he'd felt for years that he didn't get his "fair share" of what he figured he was entitled to merely because his chinless sister hit the chromosomal lottery with Henry VIII. He used both Elizabeth & Catherine (& also tried to use Mary, who was cleverer than them both in this instance) for his ambitions & nothing more. I don't see how a young, strictly reared girl of Elizabeth's age with no experience with the opposite sex up till that point could have merely been toying with randy old Tom there. She may well have surrendered her virginity to him, but I don't think she initiated the initimate relationship, it or looked upon it lightly. |
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