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From: joie  (Original Message)Sent: 8/1/2005 4:11 PM
From: joie2 Sent: 12/7/2003 6:45 PM
Brother Isaiah, Surely the Lord has spoken a great mystery to you here.  This is a marvelous message. 
 
Amos. 3: 7.  Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
 
This is showing that everything God will do, he has already revealed it by his prophets.  As they spoke, God moved in them and through them and brought His Pure Word into being; into word form so man could read it and comprephend the mind of God with his dealings with mankind.
 
God will spring nothing by surprise upon man.  Everything He has told will come to pass.  It will only be a surprise to those who failed to study His word as He admonished us to do.  It will surprise the hypocrites.  It will surprise those who reject His truth and accept Satan's lies.
 
Anyone denying the Written Word of God and calling it traditions of man are heade into horrible punishments from God.
 
Luke 13:31.  The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.
 32.  And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
 33.  Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
 
....the third day I shall be perfected.  This is Jesus speaking.  What is he saying......the third day?  He is speaking of his Resurrection.  So this proves His perfection was in that Resurrection.  Now this perfection in not speaking of sinning.  We know Jesus never sinned.  It is speaking of his glorification......his coming forth in the likeness and glory of the eternal God.
That will also be our perfection.
 
It could not happen without Grace.  It could not happen without the Gospel of the NT.  There was no power for this in the OT.  Jesus was born and lived here as part of the OT.
 
He could never have been perfected under that.  He had to come up into the NT gospel of Grace.
 
Without grace, no flesh shall be saved.
 
Heb. 2:9.  But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
 10.  For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
 
......to make the captain of their salvation {Jesus} PERFECT through sufferings.
 
Heb. 5: 7.  Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
 8.  Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
 9.  And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
 
......in the days of his flesh,....he prayed....and he feared.
....yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered.....
...and being MADE PERFECT, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all that obey him.  If you obey not, then you are not in that number.
 
The disobedient and rebellions will be cast into hell fire.
 
Jesus Christ is a whole kingdom;  He is the head of this kingdom.  But it has many members.  we are all part of the members.  So without us, that kingdom could not be whole, or PERFECT.
 
THEY WITHOUT US CAN NOT BE MADE PERFECT--- OR COMPLETE-OR WHOLE.



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From: joieSent: 8/1/2005 4:29 PM
p.s.  these messages all came from the original thread of the Birthday of Jesus or Origin of Christmas.  I do not want to make any thread too long here, so all the first messages will be visible to any who click on them.
 
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From: joie Sent: 12/9/2003 11:08 PM
Don't forget God speaks to others in different ways, with no less the results than yours. Don't forget that.
 
4everHis

He may speak in different ways, but the truth will still be there.  He will not speak one thing to you and another to someone else.  His truth is his truth.  So what did he speak to you?  Tell us?

If he speaks to a million people, that million people will believe the very same thing.  God does not teach you something and me something different.  If he shows you the birthday of Jesus, it will be Feb. 30.  That is the only day blotted out of existence.  There is no other day mentioned in God's Word for this.  Why did two prophets say, cursed be that day?

If he tells you how to be saved it will be Acts 2:38, for that is what he told Peter.  No less results?  There where is the revelation and obedience to the word?  where is your Pentecost?


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 Message 3 of 9 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 8/1/2005 4:31 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameUnitedinLove</NOBR> Sent: 12/9/2003 11:10 PM
By the way, I do agree Christmas is not a Christian holiday. I believe Jesus was born sometime in September.


Funny how you just accept this date with no Scripural proof and reject something so clear as Job 3???

Where is any proof of the Sept. date?

Jo


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 Message 4 of 9 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 8/1/2005 4:35 PM
From: joie Sent: 12/10/2003 1:51 PM
From: 4everHis1 Sent: 12/9/2003 11:10 PM
By the way, I do agree Christmas is not a Christian holiday. I believe Jesus was born sometime in September.

Hummmm.  You believe Jesus was born in September....you told Eric to  bring forth Scripture proof for what he was saying and you would believe him.  Is not this also grounds you must stand on?  I ask upon what Scripture grounds do you base this Sept. believ on?  Give me the verse which says Jesus was born in Sept.  I have never read that.  Why would you believe this?  What Scripture gave you this thought?

Which day in September did God fulfill the prophecy in Job 3 with?  What about Jer. 20:14--Cursed be the day wherein I was born....

Now if you check almost ever chapter in Jeremiah, you will find that he starts them with these words:  The Word of the Lord.......so you must agree that his words are the words of the Lord.  not his own words.  Agree?

Then whose birthday was he cursing here?  It was certainly not his own.  It matches Job 3 to be the other witness God requires to establish a thing as true. 

Do you have two witnesses of Scripture that Jesus was born in Sept?  I think not.  So why believe this?  Why believe June, Eric?  You are both just accepting some man's made up stuff.  Made up of their own carnal, human reasonings.  What I told you, I did not make it up; I did not try to 'figure it out'.  I was reading the Word and God spoke to me and opened my understanding to the true meaning of what the Word said.

I say what God said in His Word.

Believe lies if you must.  I stay with the pure Word.  God said He blotted the day Of his birth out of existance.  That day has no daylight; no darkness; no dawning; no twilight.  Wow.  God made it very clear that this one day is all alone somewhere in a solatire condition.  No light; no night;  does not be counted with the days of the months or year.

Fight it all you wish to, this can only fit Feb. 30.  Check the ancient calendars.  It is history that the months all had 30 days before the days of Julius Ceazaar.

Jo

p.s. I have seen on other boards where carnal minded people are proclaiming this Sept. Theory.  You did not get this from God.  You are just accepting their passed-down lies.  Same as for the trinity lie.  You got no revelation from God.


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 Message 5 of 9 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 8/1/2005 4:37 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameIsaiah·</NOBR> Sent: 12/10/2003 3:25 PM
What year did God say He was born? ( 4EVERHIS)
God was not borned. God is eternal. He had no beginning, he had no end. He was without mother, he was without father.He had not beginning of days, he had no ending of life.

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 Message 6 of 9 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 8/1/2005 4:40 PM
From: joie Sent: 12/10/2003 6:13 PM
4everHis
 
Joie, if you saw all the supposed evidence on a Sept. birth, why should I post it again?

4everhis, I never said I saw any 'evidence' on a Sept. Birth.  There is none.  I said I saw where people were bringing up their carnal reasonings and saying this.

I asked YOU personally for the reason you accept and believe this WITHOUT any Scriptual evidence and reject the Word of God which I showed you PROVING that the day of his birth was blotted out of existence.

There is no day missing from September.  So this rules that month out.

Now you can 'sneer' all you wish about God speaking to me.  That does not do away with it.  Why?  Do you believe God cannot and will not speak to anyone to day?

And if he still speaks to people today, what makes you think he would not speak to me?

I said you have not Scriptual reason to believe Jesus was born in Sept.  there is no evidence of this.  For it is just not true.  That day does not exist today.

As far as the year, I have nothing on that.  If I did I would have told you.  But if you wish to know I am sure you could take what is said in Luke 2:1 & 2 and go to history and figure it out.   I am not interested enough in this to do that.  I get all my revelation from what God reveals to me out of his word.  If He wants us to know, It is in the Word.

Enough is said in this Scripture in Luke to reveal it.  If you study this out, you might get close.  I do not know if it is so that one could get the exact year.


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 Message 7 of 9 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 8/15/2005 3:17 AM
  
Shooting STARS.
Does anyone here know what 'stars' represent in the Word of God?

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 Message 8 of 9 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 8/15/2005 3:29 AM
From: joie Sent: 8/14/2005 10:17 PM
  
Shooting STARS.
Does anyone here know what 'stars' represent in the Word of God?
  
Shore do.

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From: joieSent: 8/15/2005 11:20 PM
Does anyone else?

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