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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 7/23/2007 8:44 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 11/20/2006 10:48 AM
Axs,  yes.  And this is why it is so very important to say only,  and EXACTLY what the Word does say.
If and when even one word is changed, it completely makes a false doctrine.
 
And this is the very reason false doctrine fills this earth today.  and so long as false doctrine is spoken,  violence will prevail upon this earth.
 
I did not realize until just a few days ago what the power of the Word really is.  It is revealed in the message we wrote on the briers and thorns.
 
The WORD of God is the POWER.  It is the power of life.  Life and death are in the power of the tongue.  God just then gave that one to me.
Look at this:
 
<NOBR>Pr 18:20</NOBR> A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.
<NOBR>Pr 18:21</NOBR> Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

The carnal minded will think this is speaking of eating natural food.  But it cannot be.  Look at it.  How could the lips increase?  It is speaking of the volume of words one says.

So our belly means our inner-most spirit being.  It is filled with the words we speak.  So if we are speaking lies, or error  (same thing)   then our 'belly' or spirit, will be filled with briers and thorns.  this results in violence.  so our lives then will be filled with violence.

Know what?  God just gave this to me also:  Violence is inward first,   >>>  then it is manifest in the outward world.  So if one is speaking lies,  they are filling their belly with violence. this means their inward parts are being DESTROYED by the destroyer,  the lie-maker.

God just gave me that also.  The lie-maker is the one who preverts the Words of God even one tiny bit.  To add,  take away, or change even one Word of God makes it a lie.  This lie then goes into the inward parts, (our spirit)  and that causes violence in the inward parts.  This means separation from God.  It grows, as our lipe speak more and more lies, then the destruction grows inside one.  It is a spiritual cancer.  Wow.  God just gave me something else.  Watch this.

( I will go ahead and send this,  but I intend to take this to the Word processor and do a new message on this glory God has just shown me.  I want it to not have the (NOBR)  things we pick up when we copy from our Scripture online.

but I will go ahead with this.  read this solid proof:

<NOBR>2ti 2:14</NOBR> Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
<NOBR>2ti 2:15</NOBR> Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
<NOBR>2ti 2:16</NOBR> But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
<NOBR>2ti 2:17</NOBR> And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
<NOBR>2ti 2:18</NOBR> Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.


Look how he said their words eats like a canker, or cancer.  Words did this;  ate away their soul.

see he said their babblings (their false words)  increased to more UNGODLINESS.

Same thing I was just saying.  As one speaks false words, it increases the ungodliness in their inner most being.  this eats them up as a cancer.

I have some more on this, but will wait and put it in the main message.  This is getting good.  And it proves the message about the lies being the seed of the violence on earth.



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 Message 2 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/23/2007 8:45 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 11/25/2006 1:07 PM
When Jesus was raised from the dead,  God gave to Jesus all the same power and authority of  God.  He was then set  upon the thorne of God in heaven.  God gave to Jesus the same power to give life, as God himself has.
 
Jesus said,  as the Father has life in himself,  so has HE   GIVEN  to me to have life in myself.
 
Jesus is the one who gives us the Baptism of the Holy ghost.  We are children of Jesus.  If you do not come through Jesus, you will never have life.
 
But Jesus is still a man....the mediator between God  and  men.  He is now a glorified MAN.  But God gave to Jesus the power to give life to as many as come to him,  believing his Word.
 
God has never been a man and will never be a man.  The Holy FLESH  is the Word, which is God.  Jesus had the Word inside him.  He was not the Word.
 
Sure, Jesus is the one who gives us life.  He is now our 'male'  , or life giver.  But God was the male to Jesus.  He gave life to Jesus.
 
The truth is so clearly taught in Scripture.  but as long as people cling to the man-made lies, they blind themselves to something this simple.
 
JO


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 Message 3 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/23/2007 8:56 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 11/28/2006 11:35 AM
When you say things which are not as the Word of God does say them, then you will come up with error everytime.
 
Now here is the Scripture Pillar is using:
 
<NOBR>Eph 3:9</NOBR> And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
<NOBR>Eph 3:10</NOBR> To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
<NOBR>Eph 3:11</NOBR> According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
<NOBR>Eph 3:12</NOBR> In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
<NOBR>Eph 3:13</NOBR> Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
<NOBR>Eph 3:14</NOBR> For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
<NOBR>Eph 3:15</NOBR> Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

Notice verse nine,  it did not say that Jesus Christ created all things.  Now did it?  Of course not.  Learn to read the Word exactly as it is stated, else you make a lie of it.  God requires this of everyone who calls his word a lie.

Now, it did not say that Jesus Christ created anything.  It said that God created all things.  Since almost everyone excepted the lie that Jesus is God, they always misinterpret all these scriptures.

Now here is the interpretation of that verse.  Remember that all Scripture must be interpreted from another Scripture. It cannot stand alone and be interpreted.

<NOBR>1ti 1:16</NOBR> Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show forth all longsuffering, for a PATTERN to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
<NOBR>Tit 2:7</NOBR> In all things showing thyself a PATTERN of good works: in doctrine showing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
<NOBR>Heb 8:5</NOBR> Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the PATTERN showed to thee in the mount.
<NOBR>Heb 9:23</NOBR> It was therefore necessary that the PATTERNs of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.


<NOBR>Ro 8:29</NOBR> For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

<NOBR>Ro 9:20</NOBR> Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
<NOBR>Ro 9:21</NOBR> Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
<NOBR>Ro 9:22</NOBR> What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
<NOBR>Ro 9:23</NOBR> And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,


Now here is the answer to this question:

<NOBR>Heb 2:9</NOBR> But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
<NOBR>Heb 2:10</NOBR> For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
<NOBR>Heb 2:11</NOBR> For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,


God used a pattern  by which he made all things.  He used a PATTER SON by whom he will bring many other sons to this same glory,  as we become conformed to the IMAGE OF HIS DEAR SON.

 

Now this is just too plain to see, for you all to be so mixed up on this.  Study Scripture in the light of all other Scripture.  I can understand your thinking that is what it meant,  because the whole world lies under the deception that Jesus is God.  He is not God.  He is not the creator. 

God is the potter or creator.  He made of the same lump, Jesus, a human man,  two different vessels.  One,  (the first or human body)  unto dishoner.

The other, (the second or resurrected gloryfied body) unto honour.

God did this to his Son, Jesus.

By the PATTERN of this perfect Son of God,  God made the worlds.  The first, was the earthly.

The second is the Heavenly.

He made both of these by the PATTERN of Jesus.  He said he made the world BY his Son, Jesus Christ.  It is not saying that the Son did the creating.  His Son was the PATTERN by which he made all things.

<NOBR>Re 3:14</NOBR> And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;


This is the way he was the beginnning of the creation of GOD.  It is the New Heaven and the New earth,  Grace.

<NOBR>Ro 8:29</NOBR> For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the FIRSTBORN among many brethren.
<NOBR>Col 1:15</NOBR> Who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of every creature:
<NOBR>Col 1:18</NOBR> And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the FIRSTBORN from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
<NOBR>Heb 11:28</NOBR> Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the FIRSTBORN should touch them.
<NOBR>Heb 12:23</NOBR> To the general assembly and church of the FIRSTBORN, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Jesus was the PATTERN  by which God created the worlds.  He was the beginning of the creation of God, by being the firstborn from the DEAD.

By this perfect Son of God, we must also become perfected into this same glory.


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 Message 4 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/23/2007 8:59 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 12/1/2006 9:05 AM
<NOBR>Ac 19:1</NOBR> And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
<NOBR>Ac 19:2</NOBR> He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
<NOBR>Ac 19:3</NOBR> And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
<NOBR>Ac 19:4</NOBR> Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
<NOBR>Ac 19:5</NOBR> When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
<NOBR>Ac 19:6</NOBR> And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
<NOBR>Ac 19:7</NOBR> And all the men were about twelve.

Now the Above SCRIPTURE,  (not letter)  shows how one acts when they TURN FROM JOHN TO JESUS THE CHRIST.

 

Have you and pillar obeyed this yet?  If not, you are still under the headless letter of law.

Now if you could ever just one time open your blinded eyes and see and understand that the LETTER    MEANS  THE  OLD  LAW,   NOT THE WRITTEN SCRIPTURES,     THEN   and only   THEN you might come into some real truth.

Now Jesus  Christ  Lord,  will not ever cross the Written Word of God.  He is not going to send his Spirit to teach something other than what is WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE.

 

No pillar, jyp, or any other has any anointing from God to cross God's Word.  Nope.

We teach the Written Word of God by which we prove all things.  What do you PROVE BY?   pillar?  nope.

it is darkness, for he denies the written word of God,  Water baptism, taught by the spirit and the Word, and he denies the baptism of the Holy Ghost as taught in Scripture, and he upholds the evil idol-worship holidays, which are forbidden by Scripture.  He is opposite of Scripture.

So why should we leave the Word of God and follow you and pillar?

can either of you create a world?  Do either of you live from eternity, without having a beginning or ending?   Will you live forever without dying in your body?  Do you heal the sick and raise the dead?

If so, then I will confess that maybe you are God.

Eric, if you can save your own self, keep your self from dying and lived from eternity, without beginning or ending,  then will I confess that you are EQUAL with the creator. 

God had no beginning or ending.  NO father or mother.  Are you equal to that?

God created all things.  Can you?  God knows the very number of hairs on our heads.  Do you?

God knows every little bird which dies.  Do you?

God created all the stars.  Did you?  If so, then maybe you are equal with God.

But if the answer to any of these is no, then you are mortal just like the rest of us mortals.

God is immortal.  Are you?  If not, then maybe you better get down off your dizzy high-horse and admit that you are nothing but a dust frame, and NEED GOD TO HOPE YOU EVEN BREATH.

IF NOT, LET HIM STOP HELPING YOU, AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.  OUT YOU GO.  TO THE GRAVE.

Now is that equal with God?

How can you all be so mixed up?


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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknamerollingstone444</NOBR> Sent: 12/1/2006 10:19 AM
this is very interesting reading.  funny how folks get such different ideas from the same book,  if it is from the same book.  I sould think that if we speak as god it would have to be out of his own word?  right?  else how could se speak as god.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/23/2007 9:16 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 12/19/2006 11:05 AM
Eric, you need to learn Romans
<NOBR>Ro 2:28</NOBR> For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
<NOBR>Ro 2:29</NOBR> But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

God is speaking to this whole wide world.

We are all his people, by creation.  But only those who come in through faith in Jesus Christ, the NT Way, are his true Jews. And all the promises are to us.  We are the Jews, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Learn the Word.  Now if you don't want salvation, you can disregard the word. and say it is not for you.  But it is for me.


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 Message 6 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/23/2007 9:19 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 12/21/2006 10:34 AM
Search the SCRIPTURES  for in them you think you have eternal life,  and they are they which TESTIFY of me.
 
No true child of God will listen to this twisted version of false words, attempting to lead us astray from the power of eternal life,  the Words of God.  These words were spoken by the Prophets, Jesus, and the Apostles.   not by pillar and jyp.
 
Only those of US who speak only what is WRITTEN, will stand with God, and have fruit for our labours.
 
Thank God, for giving me the pure Word of God, which I can read, eat, and live by.  Let no man take your crown by telling you the Word of God is done away with and only men like pillar, who keeps idol holidays, may now lead you into what his own mind picks up on..
 
we have a MORE SURE WORD OF PROPHECY.........all the 66 books of God agreeing on the same message.
 
Glory to God for His unspeakable truth and glory.  Thank God for giving me the true FAITH.
 
Jo


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/23/2007 9:27 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 12/24/2006 7:20 PM
<NOBR>2jo 1:7</NOBR> For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
<NOBR>2jo 1:8</NOBR> Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
<NOBR>2jo 1:9</NOBR> Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
<NOBR>2jo 1:10</NOBR> If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
<NOBR>2jo 1:11</NOBR> For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


wonder where this doctrine of , "pet everyone----love everyone----fellowship everyone----get along with everyone----praise everyone----do not rebuke---do not fight evil teaching--- do not show the sheep the evil ones---

.......where did that false teaching come from?  how did it get such a strong hold on most people?  Nothing I read in the Word teaches such dangerous mess.


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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameAxs2-381</NOBR> Sent: 12/24/2006 8:37 PM
wonder where this doctrine of , "pet everyone----love everyone----fellowship everyone----get along with everyone----praise everyone----do not rebuke---do not fight evil teaching--- do not show the sheep the evil ones---
 
dO NOT KNOW BUT I do know we do not have any baby pacifiers here.

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 Message 8 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2007 9:10 PM
Taken from another thread, which I am deleting.  something I said to someone who was 'secretly' trying to sneer my work in the Word of God:
 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 6/13/2007 5:22 PM
Thank you, Anne, for your synopsis.  I understand where you are.
and I like you.
BUT, realize that the TRUTH of the Word of God is the most important thing in our world.
To know the TRUTH is, to me,  the most important thing.  I do not take it lightly.
 
I have always hungered and longed to know the truth and to be fed the Word of God.
I think if one does not feel the hunger for the Word, and desire to be Fed, they are missing something very  big and important with God.
 
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for THEY shall be filled.  I hunger,  (that is a big desire) and I thirst  ( that is a bigger desire)  for the things of the Word of God. 
I say with Jesus,  His Word is more than my necessary food.  When one does not know the truth, as it is written to us from God,  then the false teachers, or wolves, can just lead you any kind of way,  right down to destruction.
 
They prey off the ignorant children.  they make merchandise of God's people.  they mock the truth.  They destroy the pasture of the sheep of God.  God does not take this lightly.  He said the shepherds fouled the water and the pasture, for the sheep.
 
If truth is unimportant, why would God hold this against the shepherds?
 
I am always amazed at how lightly the 'children' of God esteem His Word.  I wonder,  what is their relationship with God?  What do they think is a way of being with God.?
 
How do they think they KNOW him, if they do not know His Word?  Then they just listen to the liars tell their false tales, and therefore have no idea what or who they serve!
 
I wonder ,  do people really ever read or study the Word?  and if so,  then do they not ever desire to really know the truth of it?  not the lies men made up.....but what God's truth really is?
Apparently not!
 
when God gives me even one tiny bit of revelation,  it is the joy and rejoicing of my life and soul......as Jesus said.
It is indeed greater treasure than all gold and silver.  It truly trills me when God speaks to me and reveals things to me.  I feed on it for days.
 
So why not seek it?  why not pray for it?  why not desire it?  why not find out what is truth and what is lies of man?
The more TRUTH one has, the more power and steadfastness in God.
 
When I first started teaching,  especially on computer,  I was amazed and confounded to see how very few people REALLY CARE, or desire these glorious revelations of TRUTH.
 
I wonder how could they really know the true God and be so careless about His Word?  I think it is a deception to think one is WITH God, and cares nothing for His Word.
 
When I see the gross error and lies men are teaching on this internet,  It makes me even more determined to KNOW THE TRUTH.  It makes me so thankful for the truth God has given me,  so that I am not a reed shaken about in the wind,  carried about with every wind of doctrine.
 
God made me a teacher.  I did not make myself a teacher.  When a teacher fails to study and seek more truth to give out to feed others,  they are failing as a teacher.
 
I wish to bear 100 fold fruit to God.
 
Love ye,
Jo

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 Message 9 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2007 9:10 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 6/14/2007 1:27 PM
Paul explains it well in 1Cor. 12.  All the members are of one body yet the members have a different job to do in the body.
 
All are not teachers. All cannot be teachers.  Indeed, in our day, I think very few are qualified to teach God's Word.
 
But I see in the word that all are supposed to grow up and be apt to teach.  We may not all teach the deep truths, or secrets of God, for very few receive these things.  Not that they couldn't, but because they are blinded and stopped by false doctrine.
 
but you just do what God equips you to do.  If He desires anything else, He will equip you for that also.
 
All He asks of any of us is to do our best at what He has given us to do.  And you will know what He has called you to do by what he puts into your heart.
 
Have a great day.
 
Jo

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 Message 10 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2007 9:14 PM
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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 6/3/2007 2:08 PM
Anne, lol,
 
how is the message supposed to be 'picking' on me?  I do not get the  eh,  slur.
 
My mind is not subtle, so many times the infered insults go over my head.  It is not a spirit from God, that subtle thing.  It is Satan's domain.
 
The serpent (satan)  was MORE subtle than any beast of the field.  Guess I am just a simple beast of the field.  lol.  (not subtle)  Just plain spoken, as was Jesus.
 
I am afraid your question went all the way over the playing field.  I am not playing games.  I am very, very, very,  serious in all these things.
 
But I want to show you something from this verse:  (12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
(13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Now.  Take this back to my Emmanuel revelation. 
As many as received him.....  (got that)  You have HIM into you,  (question.... how did He get into you?)
anyway.  going on with this.....he gave them power to become the sons of God.   See that?  Sons of  GOD.?
 
Is he speaking about you?  Have you received him?  Is he in you?  I am speaking about Jesus here, you know.  Is HE inside you?  Or is it the Word inside you?
 
which?  It is the same one John one is talking about, see.  Is HE  in you?  How did he get in you?   ponder it.  when do you become one of those SONS of God?
 
Will you,  a woman, be a SON of God?  Did he leave us out of this?  See how much can come from one verse?
But I am not there yet, to my lesson.
 
.....do not break the thought....so you get it.....to those who received him,  he gave POWER to become  sons of God,  .....which were not born of the flesh, not at all,  not of blood,  nor of the will of man  (your parents relationship, which brought you in)....
with me so far?
born not of man,  (not flesh),   but BORN OF GOD.
 
Begotten of God.......born of God.......you?  Not Jesus,  you!
 
How are you going to be born of God?  How are you going to become a SON OF GOD.  born of God?
Beloved  NOW  are we the sons of God?  NOW?  How?
 
Now you answer this to me, please.
 
Jo

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 Message 11 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2007 9:14 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 6/3/2007 2:21 PM
Is Jesus different from these other sons of God?  Was he made a son of God in his flesh?  born of flesh and blood?  If so then that crosses the teaching here,  doesn't it?
 
If the other sons of God must be born,  not of the flesh, nor of the will of man, or of blood,  then this son of God must be the same,  wouldn't you think?
 
Born of God.  Son of God.  Born of God, not flesh.
 
So was the flesh man, Jesus, this son of God?  If so,  it crosses this scripture.  After all, the Word says he was the son of David and Abraham,  making his HUMAN FLESH.
 
Believe that?  David is called his father.  know that?  Was that a son of God?  born of David and Abraham?  Is not that born of man?  God has two witnesses in the Word,  that a human being was virgin born, for this very purpose.  So, did Mary birth this Son of God?  If so, then John lied.
 
It baffles the carnal minds of flesh men.  (if you think you can fight the mind of Christ, you are only deceiving your own self.  but go ahead the try.)

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