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Bible Discussion : An Extraordinary Prophecy
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From: MSN NicknameMonette922  (Original Message)Sent: 10/29/2005 9:41 PM

 

An Extraordinary Prophecy

Modern communication technology has helped make the Pope’s death an unparalleled event. The entire world has literally come together to praise this one man. I find that many sense that there will be some important and climactic consequences to follow the death of this Pope.

As I studied the many Bible prophecies of the Last Days, I found a most unusual extra-Biblical prophecy made by an Irish Catholic Bishop in the 12th Century. His name is St. Malachy. According to his biographer St. Bernard of Clairvaux, in his book Life of Saint Malachy, St. Malachy was known to have the gift of prophesy and even predicted the exact day and hour of his own death. St. Malachy was canonized in 1190 by Pope Clement III.

According to his biographer, St. Malachy was visiting Rome in 1139 when he went into a trance and received a vision. Malachy wrote down this extraordinary vision in which he claims to have foreseen all of the Popes from the death of Innocent II until the destruction of the Church and the Return of Christ. He named exactly 112 Popes from that time until the end.

St. Malachy wrote a few prophetically descriptive words in Latin about each one of the Popes. He then gave the manuscript to Pope Innocent II and it was deposited in the Vatican Archives where it was forgotten for several centuries. Then in 1590, it was rediscovered and published.

The interesting thing is that scholars have matched the brief 110 descriptive predictions with each of the 110 Popes and anti-Popes that there have been since Innocent II. Though they are a bit obscure, they have fit the general profile of each of the Popes.

Now these are in no way the same kind of predictions we find in the Bible. But they do have certain relevance.

Here are a few examples:

Pope No. 108 �?Paul VI (1968-78). The prophecy for the 108th Pope was, “Flos Florum�? which means ‘Flower of Flowers�? Paul VI’s coat of arms contained three fleurs-de-lis (Isis blossoms).

Pope No. 109 �?John Paul I (1978). The prophecy for 109th Pope was “De Medietate Lunae�? which means ‘the Half Moon�? John Paul I was born in the diocese of Belluno (beautiful moon) and was baptized Albino Luciani (white light). He became Pope when there was a half moon (August 26, 1978). He died the next month right after an eclipse of the moon.

Pope No. 110 �?John Paul II (1978-2005). The prophecy for the 110th Pope was “De Labore Solis�? which means ‘from the labor of the sun.�?John Paul II was born during an eclipse of the sun on May 8, 1920. As the sun rises out of the East, so he came to the Vatican from the east. Wherever on the earth the sun shines, he visited.

Now, if St. Malachy is accurate, there will be only two more Popes before the end of this world, as we know it and the 2nd Coming of Christ. I do know that the whole prophetic scenario of signs that Jesus Christ and the Prophets predicted would come together just before His return are now in view. So what St. Malachy predicted is certainly occurring in the right time frame. Pope John Paul II was aware of these prophecies and at least once referred to them with concern.

According to St. Malachy, there will only be two more Popes.

The prophecy concerning the 111th Pope says of him, “Gloria Olivae�? which means ‘the glory of the Olive�? An article on this in NewsMax says of him, “The meaning of the olive is unclear. The Order of Saint Benedict �?not St. Malachy �?has claimed that this pope will come from its ranks and Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its final fight against evil.�?This could be a satanic counterfeit of a prophecy from God wherein this Pope will appear to be good, but lead his Church into the final predicted deception.

The olive tree is frequently a symbol for the Israelites in the Bible. Could this mean that this Pope will be an Israelite who will be seen as the glory of his people? It bears watching as to who will be this Pope. Cardinal Lustiger of Paris is a converted Jew and he is in the running for being the next Pope.

But it is the prophecy of the 112th and last Pope that is most fascinating. St. Malachy predicts, “In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign ‘Petrus Romanus�?(Peter the Roman), who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people.�?

If any of this is true, then I suspect that the 111th Pope will not live very long. We are just too close to the final events before Christ’s return for him to reign for a long period.

The most important part of St. Malachy’s prophecies has to do with the events he foresees happening during the papacy of “Peter the Roman.�?He foresees great tribulations during his reign, ending with the destruction of the Church and Rome. This is will be done by a dreadful judge who will then judge the world.

In Daniel’s great prophecy concerning the 70 Sabbatical Years allotted to Israel to finish the purpose for which God created them, it predicts something that fits right in with St. Malachy’s prophecy concerning ‘Peter the Roman.�?

Daniel predicted the exact day that Israel’s Messiah would be declared Prince and heir apparent to King David’s throne. It was 69 sabbatical years from the date Artaxerxes Longimanus of Persia gave the exiled Jews permission to rebuild Jerusalem. (see Nehemiah 2:1-8 where this permission was granted.)

Exactly 69 Sabbatical years of 360 days [or 173,880 days] later, Jesus was proclaimed the Son of David and Messiah. As predicted, He was rejected and had nothing. Then within a week after that, He was put to death.

Daniel predicted, “Know therefore and understand, that FROM the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem UNTIL Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times. And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off [put to death], but not for Himself; and the people of THE PRINCE WHO IS TO COME shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, and till the end of the war desolations are determined.�?/FONT>

Note that after the end of the 69th Sabbatical year, but before the beginning of the 70th sabbatical year, two very important historical events would occur. First, Messiah would be put to death, but not for Himself. Jesus was crucified within a week of His official presentation as Messiah.

Second, the people of the prince WHO IS YET TO COME would destroy the city of Jerusalem and its Temple. The Roman Tenth Legion destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in AD70.

Now one last and extremely important detail. The “Prince who is to come�?will be of the same people that destroyed Jerusalem in AD70. They were Romans. So the coming Prince, who is the Antichrist, must be a Roman. Now do you understand why I am so fascinated by St. Malachy’s prophecy concerning the last Pope who will be called, “Peter the Roman.�?/FONT>

Revelation chapter seventeen details the final judgment of the Mystical woman symbolically named Babylon the great. John the Apostle identifies the woman, “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits ...�?and “And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.�?(Revelation 17:9, 18 NKJ) When John wrote this, there was only one city that reigned over the kings of the earth �?ROME, which sits on seven hills.

The coming Popes will seize upon the popularity created by John Paul II with the secular world. With the help of the media, it is easy to foresee how “Peter the Roman�?will be able to mesmerize the world to follow his counterfeit of Christ.

It is time to make sure where you stand with God.

Author: Hal Lindsey

 

 



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From: pandg20Sent: 11/8/2005 6:39 AM

KARL KEATING'S E-LETTER



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DID ST. MALACHY PREDICT BENEDICT XVI?





ST. MALACHY'S PROPHECY

During the interregnum following the death of a pope we see a flurry of interest in the prophecy of St. Malachy. The interest seems to grow each time a pope passes from the scene because, according to some interpretations of the prophecy, the line of popes is about to end.

Since the Church will last until the end of time, and since Christ will not suffer his Church to be leaderless, the implication is that the ending of the papal line coincides with the Last Days.

Deal Hudson, the former publisher of "Crisis" magazine, titled the April 28 edition of his e-letter "St. Malachy Predicts the Election of Benedict XVI." Did he really?

Malachy's prophecy purportedly lists all of the popes from his time until the end of the world. Each pope is listed not by name but by a few Latin words that indicate a personal attribute, a symbol of his place of origin or of his family, or some other detail from his life. According to the list, Benedict XVI is the penultimate pope--or maybe not.

The confusion arises from the way the last pope on the list is described: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The end."

What is unclear is whether Peter the Roman is supposed to reign immediately after the next-to-last-listed pope or at some indeterminate later time, with any number of popes serving between our present Pontiff and Peter the Roman.

But set all that aside. Consider the prophecy as a whole. Although Malachy lived in the twelfth century, the prophecy attributed to him was unknown until the sixteenth century, when it was "discovered" in a Vatican archive, where it supposedly had lain forgotten for four centuries. One problem is that none of Malachy's biographers make any reference at all to the prophecy. In fact, there is no mention of it by anyone prior to its "discovery."

A bigger problem is the aptness of the papal descriptions. Those popes who reigned between Malachy's time and 1590 are described with great accuracy. After 1590, the descriptions become obscure. In many cases devotees of the prophecy have been unable to explain how a particular description could refer to the pope to which it corresponds. Many post-1590 descriptions simply make no sense.

Catholic scholars, following the lead of a Jesuit researcher of the seventeenth century, say that the prophecy of St. Malachy did not originate with the saint at all but is a forgery worked up to influence the conclave that elected Gregory XIV. It would have been easy for a forger to make up descriptions of popes who lived before his time, but he would have had to rely on creative obscurity to describe popes of succeeding centuries.

Some modern-day Catholics put great stock in the prophecy regardless, based on what they see as eerily accurate descriptions of the last few popes. Here is how Hudson put it:

"The prophecy for Paul VI 'Flos Florum' ('flower of flowers') and his coat of arms contained three fleurs-de-lis (Isis blooms). The description of John Paul I was 'De Medietate Lunae' ('the half moon'). He was baptized Albino Luciani ('white light'), was born in the diocese of Belluno ('beautiful moon'), became pope when there was a half moon (Aug. 26, 1978), and died after an eclipse of the moon. John Paul II was prophesied under the title 'De Labore Solis" ('from the labor of the sun'), and indeed he was born during an eclipse of the sun on May 18, 1920."

There is less here than meets the eye. When we say that someone was born during an eclipse of the sun, what do we mean? I think everyone would say that if you were present at the birth, you could have stepped outside and noticed the eclipse. The eclipse would have been visible from the place where the birth occurred.

But this is not what happened at the birth of Karol Wojtyla. Yes, there was an eclipse of the sun on May 18, 1920, but it was visible only from a small portion of the southern hemisphere. No one in Poland could have witnessed it. See:
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEcat/SE1901-2000.html

Astronomically, a bit more can be said about John Paul I, who "became pope when there was a half moon." Indeed there was a "half moon," but not on the date of his election. He was elected on August 26, and the "half moon" occurred on August 25. See:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/aa_moonphases.pl?year=1978&ZZZ=END

Maybe what was meant was that the conclave occurred during a "half moon." Okay, let's grant that, but then let's also grant that this would not have been a distinctive event. Although I have not bothered to look up each one, it must be the case that many conclaves have witnessed a "half moon," what astronomers actually call a "quarter moon." (The moon's phases are called "new moon," "first quarter," "full moon," and "last quarter.")

Each month there are two "half moons": the first and last quarters. You can do the arithmetic yourself, but it turns out that an average-length conclave has about a one-in-three chance of seeing a "half moon."

Another thing about John Paul I. Hudson said he "died after an eclipse of the moon." This pope died on September 28, 1978. An eclipse of the moon occurred twelve days earlier. Lunar eclipses are not rare: They usually occur between two and four times a year. See:
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/LEcat/LEdecade1971.html

One always can say that a pope died "after an eclipse of the moon." Everyone who ever has died has died "after an eclipse of the moon"--sometimes as long as half a year after, but after nevertheless. When we use "after an eclipse of the moon" as a clue to the identity of someone, surely we mean "immediately after." That was not the case with John Paul I.

Now let's turn to the current pope. The description that corresponds to Benedict XVI is "Gloria Olivae," "the glory of the olive."

"Guess what?" asked Hudson. "The Order of St. Benedict had a branch called the Olivetans," and the name chosen by our current pontiff is, of course, Benedict.

What does this prove? Not much, I'd day. First of all, the descriptions in St. Malachy's prophecy are supposed to concern pre-election facts about the popes. In theory, one could determine the identify of the next pope by considering the description that corresponds to him.

But this would have been impossible with respect to our newest pope. Joseph Ratzinger never was a Benedictine and never was connected with the Olivetan Benedictines. "The glory of the olive" would not have led anyone to suspect that it described him (unless, perhaps, the cardinal was fond of martinis, but I have seen no evidence of that).

Hudson says that "the uncanny accuracy of St. Malachy's last four predictions has fueled another round of apocalyptic curiosity." I would not dispute the fact that there has been plenty of curiosity, but I would deny that there is "uncanny accuracy" in the descriptions of the last four popes.

As I noted, the one that corresponds to John Paul II ("of the labor of the sun") is interpreted to mean that he was elected under an eclipse--which he was not. And the one that corresponds to Benedict XVI suggests his pre-existing connection with the Benedictine order, and he had no such connection.

(In fact, until the last conclave, believers in the prophecy said that the pope described as "the glory of the olive" would be a Benedictine monk. That's how sure--and how wrong--they were.)

What should we make of the prophecy of St. Malachy? I think we should come to the same conclusion reached by that seventeenth-century Jesuit scholar and by scholars since: The prophecy is not from St. Malachy and does not give us real information about the popes of the last four centuries and certainly not about the popes of our own time or of the future.

Until next time,

Karl

 

A Catholic Answer.

Love,

Patricia


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From: pandg20Sent: 11/10/2005 6:28 PM

Luke 17:20-25
Asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus said in reply, "The coming of the kingdom of God cannot be observed, and no one will announce, ´Look, here it is,´ or, ´There it is.´ For behold, the kingdom of God is among you." Then he said to his disciples, "The days will come when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. There will be those who will say to you, ´Look, there he is,´ or ´Look, here he is.´ Do not go off, do not run in pursuit. For just as lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one side to the other, so will the Son of Man be in his day. But first he must suffer greatly and be rejected by this generation.

Introductory Prayer: Lord, I believe in your presence in my life. You have called me to share in your faith and love. I trust that you will help me grow closer to you. I love you Lord, here and now. I will live this day in prayer.

Petition: Be with me, Lord!

1. When?  Since the Pharisees had the wrong notion of the Kingdom of God, they could hardly ask the proper questions concerning it. Their expected kingdom was a worldly kingdom that would cast off foreign domination and restore sovereignty to Israel. But Christ’s kingdom is concerned more about the state of the soul and the struggle between good and evil than external nations. The Pharisees�?misperception kept them from recognizing Christ and his kingdom. Thousands of years later we too can be susceptible to the errors of the Pharisees. For us a lack of faith can keep us from seeing that the Kingdom of God comes only when we accept Jesus as king of our souls. Only when we allow him to rule and order our lives does his kingdom come. The “when�?is now. Now is the moment to encounter Christ and make him my king.

2. Where? Christ’s disciples also struggled to understand the nature of the kingdom. They sought to see “the days of the Son of Man,�?a powerful reign where Christ was supreme with the entire world subject to him. Yet, Christ comes first to reign in the heart of each person. In my own heart, do I believe in Christ and accept his will? Do I love him and sacrifice to respond to his will? Am I building the kingdom from my prayer and life of grace?

3. How? If the kingdom is here and now, then how do we enter? We enter the same way our King enters �?through the door of suffering and perseverance. “First he must suffer greatly and be rejected.�?Belief is not just a one-time acceptance. Faith must be lived throughout the great trials we encounter in life. In this way we make faith and the kingdom more our own. We need to remember that in the end, it is the kingdom -- and the King himself -- who comes to us, like lighting across the sky.

Dialogue with Christ: Dear Jesus, help me to understand your kingdom. Build your kingdom within me, in my thoughts and desires. Become my life and my love. Grant me the courage to embrace your will here and now, so that there is never any distance between us. Make my life the light and salt to spread your kingdom effectively to those I come across.

Resolution: I will dedicate a longer and calmer time to examine my conscience tonight, and look for progress as well as the struggles of the kingdom within me.

Love you guys,

Patricia