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From: XtraMSN Nicknameserenityprayer03  (Original Message)Sent: 24/07/2008 4:33 a.m.
Hello,
I started to write earlier today, but my mind had too many thoughts running through it that I became overwhelmed with what to say.  Instead, I went outside and did some hard labor yardwork; it really helped! It's a LONG story but I will give you all just a general idea.  I'm with someone who is a single mom and has 16 year old daughter who fits all of the criteria of an acute P and acute N. The mom is "D" and the daughter is "K".  I  fear for "D" safety. Over the past five years K has been in 4 mental institutions, juvey, kicked out two schools for carrying a knife, arrested once, caught shoplifting and more recently has started physically attacking her mom.
A couple of weeks ago D tried to discipline K and took K's cell phone away. The kid went into a RAGE and attacked her mom, punching her in the ribs and got her into some kind of a choke hold twice that D was going unconsious. D has never hit or abused K. The only thing that stoped K was that D's brother heard D yelling for K to stop. He came downstairs in the middle of this and pulled K off her mom.
K turned on him and elbowed him in the ear, his ex marine reflex kicked in and I decked her to the floor. It all happened so fast! This is a guy wouldn't hurt a fly and he felt so bad. He couldn't hear out of his ear for three days.  Of course, K has played it to the hilt, telling her friends that my uncle hit her and broke her jaw and all kind of crap. D is now afraid to discipline K. She is constantly watching her back and locks herself in her room at night. K tells her mom I can put you down if I want to and laughs. K does what she wants to and if D trys to ask questions or tells her to be home by a certain time K just goes off on her or blows her off. 
K is bipolar and ADHD also. It has always been difficult to get her to take her meds and recently K has been refusing to take them at all. She is like a time bomb. Right now K is in the second week of at home therophy, three counclors coming to house twice a week. She already has them snowed! The therophist, today actually suggested that they separate and D to live somewhere else until school starts back.
What's WRONG with this picture!? I was livied when D told me this on the phone today! That's why I did the yardwork.
Can someone please tell me why everyone is accommondateing this wicked evil child?  DFCS knows what is going on.  This is soooooo hard to deal with, seeing someone I love go through so much Hell. D says she will call 911 if K attacks her again.. It is only a matter of time. I just hope and pray K doesn't seriously hurt or kill her mom.  There's tons more, but I pretty sure by now you all get the idea.
Thanks for letting me vent
Serenityprayer03


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From: XtraMSN NicknameLynnS2274Sent: 25/07/2008 12:39 a.m.
Hi, serenityprayer--It is very, very difficult to stand by and watch a loved one be treated this way.  Unfortunately, therapists will often attribute what they consider to be a child's 'acting out' to the parent.
 
If you have not yet read this page, I would encourage you to do so:
 
 
Are these therapists of your own choosing?  Perhaps it's time to change therapists if not.  I would encourage you to support your partner as much as possible, and definitely make sure she understands that safety IS a major concern here.  Is she discounting that her daughter would hurt her when it came down to it at all?  I surely hope not.  Also try not to get overly-involved in interceding with her daughter.  You're better off supporting, but not getting involved in the dispute between them.  She will target whomever she chooses in her wrath, including you.  Don't make yourself a target.  It sounds as if her mother has a plan if she escalates, and that's good. 
 
This is a very difficult situation.  My thoughts are with you.
 
Lynn

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From: XtraMSN NicknamesparkysmoonladySent: 27/07/2008 12:44 p.m.
I agree with Lynn
 
People do seem to take the side of the angelic P and it seemed that back in the 70s the theme ran
 
"The kid's okay - sedate the mother"
 
This was really good fun - I fell asleep on the kitchen floor with a rampant 2 year old running the show and a pre-term baby asleep in her bedroom
 
Luckily my mother tried to ring me and when Ididn't answer the phone she drove straight to my place and managed to wake me up by banging the door not far from where I was out to is.
 
Then for years everyone thought my P was angelic in spite of his behaviour and until the end of his life it seemed to be my problem and my fault
 
I hope things are changing - and as Lynne as already said - you must find a therapist for yourself to support you - because I know and everyone else here knows that these Ps and Ns and Ss and they come from all over the family
 
Are really demonic and there is no life with them around at all
 
Keep in touch
 
Sparky

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From: XtraMSN NicknamefemfreeSent: 29/07/2008 4:51 a.m.
Hi Serenity Prayer. Welcome. What a tragic situation.
 
There's no question that K could and should have been arrested, taken away and possibly charged with attempted murder or assault of some kind. this is a very dangerous situation. \
 
D is afraid to discipline K and so, the tail now wags the dog. A mentally ill 16 year old who has this kind of record is a danger to everyone involved - that includes you too.
 
You are right, this bi polar, off meds, child is scary and a ticking timebomb. I am so afraid of who will get hurt before the situatin becomes a crisis and the authorities step in.
 
The therapist I believe has seen the potential outcome in suggesting that D live elsewhere - but who is going to supervise K? The fact likely is that there's no place in the social structure for K to go to.
 
Please be fully aware of the potential danger to yourself.  There may be nothing you can do except to leave to protect yourself.
 
Take Care
 
 
 
 
 

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