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I have an Elizabeth Mitchell who according to her shipping papers on arrival in Australia, would have been born Circa 1818. Her native place is given as Ballentoy, Antrim, Ireland. As far as is known her parents were John and Margaret Mitchell, and she arrived in Sydney via the "Herald" in 1845. I have no other information about her prior to her arrival in Australia and it is this that I'd like to know of. I do know she had a brother who also came to Australia the year before her and on the same ship. He was John Mitchell and was married to Ann (I think her maiden surname was Quigley). However once again, I've been unable to find anything about these people back in Ireland. If anyone is able to assist I would be most appreciative. Thanks, Min Miggy42 | |
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I think it is actually BALLINTOY you are looking for. These Mitchells are listed in Griffiths Valuations: Surname | First Name | Townland | Parish | County | | Mitchell | Mary | Drumnagee | Ballintoy | Antrim | Mitchell | Charles | Ballintoy Demesne | Ballintoy | Antrim | |
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Hello again These are from the Ulster Historical Foundation site. Births 1806 - 1830 Action Source Surname First Name Year County Church Baptism Mitchel William 1807 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Andrew 1807 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchel Anne 1808 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchel Mary 1808 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Hannah 1809 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Margaret 1809 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Robert 1810 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Andrew 1811 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Jane 1811 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchel Robert 1812 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell John 1812 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell John 1813 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Mary 1813 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mithell Joseph 1814 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mithell Joseph 1814 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell John 1815 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchel Rachel 1816 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Isabella 1816 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Lucy C J A 1816 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell James 1817 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Margaret 1817 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Mary 1817 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Jane 1818 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Ellen 1819 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Rachael 1820 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchel William 1823 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Carolina 1823 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell John 1823 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell William 1823 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell William 1823 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Robert 1824 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Samuel 1824 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Robert 1825 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Samuel 1825 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell William 1825 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Robert 1826 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell William 1826 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Alexander Rules 1827 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Arthur 1827 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Carolina Sophia 1827 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Thomas 1827 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchel Robert 1828 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Catherine 1828 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Jane 1828 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell John 1828 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Ann 1829 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Hugh 1829 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Hugh 1829 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell James 1829 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell James 1829 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell John 1829 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Anne Eliza 1830 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Margaret Hill 1830 Co. Antrim Church Baptism Mitchell Marianne 1830 Co. Antrim As you can see, there are a few John Mitchells but no Elizabeth. I also checked the marriages (their parents) and there was only one around that time:
Marriages 1811-1819 Action Source Surname First Name Year County Marriage Mitchel Thomas 1817 Co. Antrim I will give you the link in my next message. Marian |
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Min - this is the link to the IFHF site for Co. Antrim: They normally charge Euro 10.00 to view a specific record, but it is only Euro 5.00 at the moment. Hope this is of some help to you. If I find anything more I will post on this board. Marian Manager |
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| | From: Miggy42 | Sent: 4/6/2008 4:47 AM |
Hello ConnemaraKate, Many thanks for these entries. I too have done a few searches and never found a marriage entry for the parents. My searching for this family was done several years ago now, so I was hoping that perhaps something else had popped up in the meanwhile. Or that more experienced "on the spot" researchers could find what I hadn't. Someone mentioned that perhaps the family came from Scotland and looking at the map it would seem possible as it is only just over the water. Would this be a general trend that persons moved around in the early 1800s in this way? What about moving around Ireland? Could they have come to Antrim from another county or place? - (not sure of the Irish terminology.) I have no clues whatsoever as to the origins of Elizabeth apart from what was written on her shipping papers on arrival in Sydney. This could of course be incorrect, as many shipping papers have been proven to be. Perhaps it was the person writing the information and trying to ascertain from the different accents of those coming. Or perhaps it could well have been the person themselves giving incorrect details, in this case a wrong Christian name say, in order for them to start a new life in a new country. ??? Just throwing in some food for thought, wondering what others think. Thanks for your help it is most appreciated. Min miggy42 |
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Hi Min Yes, there was a lot of movement between Ireland (mainly Northern Ireland) and Scotland back then. Surprisingly, people moved around Ireland from county to county quite a lot too. So there are many possibilities. I will ask our manager Teri in Scotland if she can throw any light on it for you. So keep your eyes peeled, as they say. Marian Manager |
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| | From: Miggy42 | Sent: 4/8/2008 3:56 AM |
Hi Marian, Not sure whether this would make any difference to your searching for my Elizabeth Mitchell or not, but after reading some of the other entries on the last group postings I remembered that it was noted on Elizabeth's shipping papers that she was of the Church of Ireland faith. Would there have been a Church of Ireland church in Ballintoy, Antrim or would they have worshipped in a nearby town? Not knowing much about the area I am a little ignorant of just what sort of place Ballintoy is - and was in the early 1800s. Sorry to put you on the spot, because I do understand that you too may not know about this place either. Just thought you may know of somewhere I could go to look. Or would it be worth sending a letter to the church from Australia? Min miggy42 |
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Hi Min Our manager Teri in Scotland is also helping with this search, and we hope to have more info for you by tomorrow or Friday. Meanwhile, take a look at this. It might be worth your while writing to the present incumbent: Revd. N.D.S. Phair Ballintoy Church Ballintoy Co. Antrim NORTHERN IRELAND Marian Manager |
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Min - you will find some lovely photos of the village on this site: Marian Manager |
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Hi Teri found this info on Tuesday. She found one distinct possibility: Parents: John Mitchell and Margaret Skeock Births: All in Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland James Mitchell, 31 August, 1817 John Mitchell, 18 March 1819 Elizabeth Mitchell, 14 August, 1821 Melissa Mitchell, 22 September 1831 Irvine is just across the water from Ireland and a lot of Irish came there so it's possible they went the other way too. No marriage record for parents, though. She checked out the 1941 census and there's no sign of them. Using the youngest child's name Melissa, there are no Melissa Mitchell's anywhere in Scotland in 1841. More to follow........... Marian Manager |
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Hi again More info from Teri. These are the Mitchells in Ballintoy graveyard transcribed by Irish World Heritage Centre: <o:p></o:p> Charles Mitchell, 1898 Charles Mitchell, 1916 Charles Mitchell 1918 Elizabeth Mitchell 1918 Henry Leslie Mitchell 1960 James Mitchell 1923 Jane Mitchell 1923 Jennie Mitchell 1920 Mary Ann Mitchell 1912 William Mitchell 1957 William Henry Mitchell 1938 ABJ Mitchell, date unknown C Mitchell Gnr Date Unknown Marian Manager |
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Teri searched the Mitchells at the Scottish records office yesterday and this is what she found. Although there were several Elizabeths around that time, these are the only two where she definitely found births for brothers named John. Elizabeth Mitchell, born 28 August, 1818, Edinburgh, to John Mitchell and Elizabeth Dickson John Mitchell, born 7 February 1808, Edinburgh to same parents Elizabeth Mitchell, born 14 November, 1820, Liberton, Edinburgh to Robert Mitchell and Elizabeth Weir John Mitchell, born 23 November, 1809, Liberton, Edinburgh to same parents. Marian Manager
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Ulster Towns Directory 1910: Ballintoy, County Antrim These Mitchells were listed under Inhabitants: Mitchell, Charles, fisherman Mitchell, Jane Marian Manager |
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Min - Some more info Teri has found. This is from the indexes to the Tithe Applotment Books: John Mitchell Antrim, Ballintoy, Lisbelnagroaghmore We don't know the exact year the Tithe Applotment records were made for Co. Antrim, but it was sometime between 1824 and 1837. Marian
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| | From: Miggy42 | Sent: 4/11/2008 2:56 AM |
Hi Marian, Many thanks for these sites: I will take a good look at both when I get a spare minute. Have the grandson here for school hols and am being pestered!! Also I will write to the church, on never knows and it might be worth the stamp. Many thanks for the address. I do so very much appreciate all your help and time you're taking over my queries. Sincerely, Min Qld. Aust. |
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| | From: Miggy42 | Sent: 4/13/2008 8:39 AM |
Hi Marian & Teri, Many thanks for all that info from Scotland. I am impressed with what Teri found in Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland and think that this is a distinct possibility for my family. Your next post also, listing the Mitchells in Ballintoy graveyard. It looks as if they were there for a few years from the late 1800s on doesn't it. If Charles Mitchell was a fisherman then I guess it wouldn't be too difficult to go to and from Ireland to Scotland just across the water. Regarding the other Elizabeth and John Mitchells which Teri checked out, I think that the most likely one is still the one in Irvine, Ayrshire. Funnily I have another family from Ayreshire on my mother's side and I found that they also had children over the sea, so it would seem that it wasn't uncommon for people to ply between the two when they were so close. I'm wondering now whether James Mitchell (Elizabeth and John's father) could have been the son of Charles and Jane Mitchell. Anyway you've certainly given me something to go on and I will get to write to the church this week in the hope that they may be able to shed some sort of light on my problem. Thanks for all you've done, Sincerely, Min Qld. Aust. |
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