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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKate  (Original Message)Sent: 4/4/2008 11:27 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameMiggy42</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 2008/04/04 05:08 AM
I have an Elizabeth Mitchell who according to her shipping papers on arrival in Australia, would have been born Circa 1818.  Her native place is given as Ballentoy, Antrim, Ireland.  As far as is known her parents were John and Margaret Mitchell, and she arrived in Sydney via the "Herald" in 1845.  I have no other information about her prior to her arrival in Australia and it is this that I'd like to know of.
 
I do know she had a brother who also came to Australia the year before her and on the same ship.  He was John Mitchell and was married to Ann (I think her maiden surname was Quigley).  However once again, I've been unable to find anything about these people back in Ireland.
 
If anyone is able to assist I would be most appreciative.  Thanks,
 
Min
Miggy42


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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 4/4/2008 11:09 PM
I think it is actually BALLINTOY you are looking for.
 
These Mitchells are listed in Griffiths Valuations:
 
 
 
Surname First Name Townland Parish County
Mitchell Mary Drumnagee Ballintoy Antrim
Mitchell Charles Ballintoy Demesne Ballintoy Antrim
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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 Message 3 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 4/4/2008 11:34 PM
Hello again
 
These are from the Ulster Historical Foundation site.
 
Births 1806 - 1830
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
 Church Baptism Mitchel William 1807 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Andrew 1807 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchel Anne 1808 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchel Mary 1808 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Hannah 1809 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Margaret 1809 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Robert 1810 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Andrew 1811 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Jane 1811 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchel Robert 1812 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell John 1812 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell John 1813 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Mary 1813 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mithell Joseph 1814 Co. Antrim 
 Church Baptism Mithell Joseph 1814 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell John 1815 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchel Rachel 1816 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Isabella 1816 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Lucy C J A 1816 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell James 1817 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Margaret 1817 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Mary 1817 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Jane 1818 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Ellen 1819 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Rachael 1820 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchel William 1823 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Carolina 1823 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell John 1823 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell William 1823 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell William 1823 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Robert 1824 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Samuel 1824 Co. Antrim 
 Church Baptism Mitchell Robert 1825 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Samuel 1825 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell William 1825 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Robert 1826 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell William 1826 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Alexander Rules 1827 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Arthur 1827 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Carolina Sophia 1827 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Thomas 1827 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchel Robert 1828 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Catherine 1828 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Jane 1828 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell John 1828 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Ann 1829 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Hugh 1829 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Hugh 1829 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell James 1829 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell James 1829 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell John 1829 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Anne Eliza 1830 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Margaret Hill 1830 Co. Antrim
 Church Baptism Mitchell Marianne 1830 Co. Antrim
 
As you can see, there are a few John Mitchells but no Elizabeth.
 
I also checked the marriages (their parents) and there was only one around that time:
Marriages 1811-1819
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
 Marriage Mitchel Thomas 1817 Co. Antrim
 
I will give you the link in my next message.
 
Marian

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 Message 4 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 4/4/2008 11:38 PM
Min - this is the link to the IFHF site for Co. Antrim:
 
 
They normally charge Euro 10.00 to view a specific record, but it is only Euro 5.00 at the moment. 
 
Hope this is of some help to you.  If I find anything more I will post on this board.
 
Marian
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From: MSN NicknameMiggy42Sent: 4/6/2008 4:47 AM
Hello ConnemaraKate,
 
Many thanks for these entries.  I too have done a few searches and never found a marriage entry for the parents.  My searching for this family was done several years ago now, so I was hoping that perhaps something else had popped up in the meanwhile. Or that more experienced "on the spot" researchers could find what I hadn't.
 
Someone mentioned that perhaps the family came from Scotland and looking at the map it would seem possible as it is only just over the water.  Would this be a general trend that persons moved around in the early 1800s in this way?  What about moving around Ireland?  Could they have come to Antrim from another county or place? - (not sure of the Irish terminology.)  
 
I have no clues whatsoever as to the origins of Elizabeth apart from what was written on her shipping papers on arrival in Sydney.  This could of course be incorrect, as many shipping papers have been proven to be.  Perhaps it was the person writing the information and trying to ascertain from the different accents of those coming. Or perhaps it could well have been the person themselves giving incorrect details, in this case a wrong Christian name say, in order for them to start a new life in a new country.  ??? Just throwing in some food for thought, wondering what others think.
 
Thanks for your help it is most appreciated.
 
Min
miggy42

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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 4/7/2008 7:42 PM
Hi Min
 
Yes, there was a lot of movement between Ireland (mainly Northern Ireland) and Scotland back then.  Surprisingly, people moved around Ireland from county to county quite a lot too.  So there are many possibilities.
 
I will ask our manager Teri in Scotland if she can throw any light on it  for you.  So keep your eyes peeled, as they say.
 
Marian
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 Message 7 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameMiggy42Sent: 4/8/2008 3:56 AM
Hi Marian,
 
Not sure whether this would make any difference to your searching for my Elizabeth Mitchell or not, but after reading some of the other entries on the last group postings I remembered that it was noted on Elizabeth's shipping papers that she was of the Church of Ireland faith. 
 
Would there have been a Church of Ireland church in Ballintoy, Antrim or would they have worshipped in a nearby town?  Not knowing much about the area I am a little ignorant of just what sort of place Ballintoy is - and was in the early 1800s.   Sorry to put you on the spot, because I do understand that you too may not know about this place either.  Just thought you may know of somewhere I could go to look.  Or would it be worth sending a letter to the church from Australia?
 
Min
miggy42 

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 Message 8 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 4/9/2008 4:52 PM
Hi Min
 
Our manager Teri in Scotland is also helping with this search, and we hope to have more info for you by tomorrow or Friday.
 
Meanwhile, take a look at this. 
 
 
It might be worth your while writing to the present incumbent:
 
Revd. N.D.S. Phair
Ballintoy Church
Ballintoy
Co. Antrim
NORTHERN IRELAND
 
Marian
Manager

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 Message 9 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 4/9/2008 5:10 PM
Min - you will find some lovely photos of the village on this site:
 
 
Marian
Manager

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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 4/10/2008 12:51 PM
Hi
 
Teri found this info on Tuesday.  She found one distinct possibility:
 
Parents:  John Mitchell   and  Margaret Skeock
 
Births: All in Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland
 
James Mitchell, 31 August, 1817
John  Mitchell, 18 March 1819
Elizabeth Mitchell, 14 August, 1821
Melissa Mitchell, 22 September 1831
 
Irvine is just across the water from Ireland and a lot of Irish came there so it's possible they went the other way too.
 
No marriage record for parents, though.
 
She checked out the 1941 census and there's no sign of them.  Using the youngest child's name Melissa, there are no Melissa Mitchell's anywhere in Scotland in 1841.
 
More to follow...........
 
Marian
Manager
 

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 Message 11 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 4/10/2008 12:57 PM
Hi again
 
More info from Teri. 
 
These are the Mitchells in Ballintoy graveyard transcribed by Irish World Heritage Centre:
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Charles Mitchell, 1898

Charles Mitchell, 1916

Charles Mitchell 1918

Elizabeth Mitchell 1918

Henry Leslie Mitchell 1960

James Mitchell 1923

Jane Mitchell  1923

Jennie Mitchell 1920

Mary Ann Mitchell 1912

William Mitchell 1957

William Henry Mitchell 1938

ABJ Mitchell, date unknown

C Mitchell Gnr  Date Unknown

 

Marian

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 Message 12 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 4/10/2008 1:01 PM
Teri searched the Mitchells at the Scottish records office yesterday and this is what she found.  Although there were several Elizabeths around that time, these are the only two where she definitely found births for brothers named John.
 
Elizabeth Mitchell, born 28 August, 1818, Edinburgh,  to John Mitchell and Elizabeth Dickson
John Mitchell, born 7 February 1808, Edinburgh to same parents
 
Elizabeth Mitchell, born 14 November, 1820, Liberton, Edinburgh to Robert Mitchell and Elizabeth Weir
John Mitchell, born 23 November, 1809, Liberton, Edinburgh to same parents.
 
Marian
Manager

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 Message 13 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 4/10/2008 1:09 PM
Ulster Towns Directory 1910: Ballintoy, County Antrim

These Mitchells were listed under Inhabitants:

Mitchell, Charles, fisherman
Mitchell, Jane
 
Marian
Manager

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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 4/10/2008 8:45 PM
Min - Some more info Teri has found.
 
This is from the indexes to the Tithe Applotment Books:
 
John Mitchell Antrim, Ballintoy, Lisbelnagroaghmore
 
We don't know the exact year the Tithe Applotment records were made for Co. Antrim, but it was sometime between 1824 and 1837.
 
Marian

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 Message 15 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameMiggy42Sent: 4/11/2008 2:56 AM
Hi Marian,
 
Many thanks for these sites: I will take a good look at both when I get a spare minute.  Have the grandson here for school hols and am being pestered!!
 
Also I will write to the church, on never knows and it might be worth the stamp.  Many thanks for the address.
 
I do so very much appreciate all your help and time you're taking over my queries.
 
Sincerely,
Min
Qld. Aust.

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 Message 16 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameMiggy42Sent: 4/13/2008 8:39 AM
Hi Marian & Teri,
 
Many thanks for all that info from Scotland.
 
I am impressed with what Teri found in Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland and think that this is a distinct possibility for my family. 
 
Your next post also, listing the Mitchells in Ballintoy graveyard.  It looks as if they were there for a few years from the late 1800s on doesn't it.  If Charles Mitchell was a fisherman then I guess it wouldn't be too difficult to go to and from Ireland to Scotland just across the water. 
 
Regarding the other Elizabeth and John Mitchells which Teri checked out, I think that the most likely one is still the one in Irvine, Ayrshire.  Funnily I have another family from Ayreshire on my mother's side and I found that they also had children over the sea, so it would seem that it wasn't uncommon for people to ply between the two when they were so close. 
 
I'm wondering now whether James Mitchell (Elizabeth and John's father) could have been the son of Charles and Jane Mitchell.
 
Anyway you've certainly given me something to go on and I will get to write to the church this week in the hope that they may be able to shed some sort of light on my problem.
 
Thanks for all you've done,
 
Sincerely,
Min
Qld. Aust.

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