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| | From: Chloe-Cat (Original Message) | Sent: 12/6/2008 10:54 AM |
For years our family thought that Elizabeth Phelan who arrived on the Malvina Vidal in l853 from Ireland and was a Laundress was our great great grandmother. But an enterprising cousin discovered that this lady was from a different family altogether. Desperately looking for Elizabeth Anne Phelan who died in NSW (July 4, 1876) when did she arrive, on what vessel, what year and where was she from. some say Tipperary and that she may have arrived as an unassisted migrant. Can find no records at all. Kindly assist Thanks Carolyn. | |
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dear Manager, I was remiss in sending you two messages for Elizabeth Phelan, is it possible to send the second one to Australian surname list. Many thanks Carolyn | |
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Hi Carolyn I found an Elizabeth Phelan who Arrived on the Wanata in 1854 PHELAN ELIZABETH 26 JAN 1854 WANATA 9 351 Index to Assisted British Immigration 1839-1871 This was in The victoria Records I will also pass Message on to Liz for you Mike | |
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Carolyne in the igi references it has the following Elizabeth Phelan Pedigree Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 1842 , Offaly, Ireland Christening: Death: 04 JUL 1876 Glennies Creek, New South Wales, Australia Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: Daniel Phelan Family Mother: Anne Kirwin |
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| | From: ableliz | Sent: 12/7/2008 5:04 AM |
Carolyn, Mike has passed your message on to me but you have already posted it on the australian surnames list so hopefully one of our members may be able to find the arrival of Elizabeth PHELAN As Mike has posted where Elizabeth PHELAN was born and her parents names hopefully that will help you. The Tipperary emigrant indexes are online but it looks like she was not from there but from Offaly instead Liz |
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Thanks a lot Liz, speedy as usual I think this is the one. Victorian state records most unhelpful as to reels in NSW any clues as to where they are available thanks a lot Carolyn. |
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| | From: ableliz | Sent: 12/9/2008 8:29 AM |
Carolyn, The assisted british immigrants usually had extra info recorded unlike the unassisted but they are on fiche not films as far as I know Usually these sorts of records are available at state library & some public libraries have copies I would try e mailing the PRO (Public record office) in victoria to ask where you can view them Some other states might have copies if you are lucky Liz |
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Dear Liz, the details are all correct for elizabeth Phelan except the birth date. she could not have come here at the age of 13 by herself to go into service with a Mr. J. Dick of flemington. victoria. PRO no help in vic. the Parents names are correct, the death date is correct - where do I go from here. could the birth date been recorded wrongly. Thanks carolyn. |
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| | From: ableliz | Sent: 1/19/2009 9:01 AM |
Carolyn, Not saying it was her but it is absolutely possible that she could have arrived by herself aged 13 to go into service The orphan girls did exactly that from Ireland My g/g grandfather came here on his own aged 12 years (both parents dead) on a little ship as a bounty immigrant and went straight into service in the Illawarra region . All this info was on a bounty immigrant film reel We could hardly believe it either but it was true and his parents names matched as well. I think I may have said before that it is not always possible to find immigration records as sometimes if they came steerage class they were not mentioned by name but just the number of passengers on board Also there were many errors on these indexes and she may be under a wrong spelling or arrived originally in another state which is not uncommon The irish were pretty good at changing their ages on immigration indexes from what I have found over the years so I don't take much notice of listed ages Liz |
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Thanks a lot Liz, you have me gobsmacked at the ages of the innocents who traversed the ocean for a better life. May be that is what has instilled a sense of dedication and determination in both of us as we trawl for the past, albeit, you are much more experienced than I. Many thanks for all your help and prompt replies. Sincerely, Carolyn. |
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| | From: ableliz | Sent: 1/26/2009 9:54 AM |
Carolyn , If it was me then I would have died and been thrown overboard as I would not have survived the voyage I even got very ill on the passenger ferry from Sydney to Tasmania about 4 years ago and it was a 20 hour trip not 4 or 5 months on the ocean I hope you have some luck finding her as you never know what will turn up in the future I will give you a little good luck symbol to help Liz |
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Dear Liz, you always come up with something good and I will treasure the bunch of shamrocks you sent me in relation to Elizabeth Phelan good luck to you and we no doubt will communicate regularly on the new site. Many blessings Carolyn. |
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