This as the Only thing on Charles

 

Charles ROCK Pedigree
  Male    
   

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Event(s):
 Birth:  1807   
 
 Christening: 
 Death:  1854   , Victoria, Australia
 
 Burial: 
   

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Parents:
  Father:  Michael ROCK  Family
  Mother:  Isabella ELTIS 

Mike,

This last Charles is actually the one born as Thomas in NSW but details on his Victorian Death Cert. show him as "Charlie", the name he was obviously known by. That has been converted in bdm to "Charles" so a lot of people had put that information online until I sent them copies of the DC which I had had since 1999, not realising who he really was. All of the details on the DC are otherwise correct, wife, date and place of marriage in NSW, ages of children born in both NSW and Victoria. This Thomas was the son of convict Michael Rock from County Down and Isabella Eltis and the father of Michael Rock the younger who I think became Henry Edwin Rock after his trial in Yass in 1865, where I now know all charges were dismissed, and was later a sailor. As I said before I think this is the right track BUT there is still the Charles and Ann reference to put to rest before I publish it as fact.

Norma

Mike,

This site looks good but I do have the Hereford trial details for Charles who arrived here in 1830 so wouldn't expect to find more there. It is what happened to him after he arrived that I am stuck with. Haven't yet had a chance to look for a Ticket of Leave because I was tied up helping a friend out all day today.

Norma

Norma would this be Your Ann,s Ticket of Leave If so i think her Surname Was Pender not Pinder

 

Last name	Rock
First name	Ann ux Pinder
Ship	Elizabeth
Year	1828
Native place	NR
Trade or calling	NR
District	Kings Co
Ticket no	44/1624
State Records shelf ref	4/4190
State Records reel no	953

Norma IF YOU check back on the last couple of messages you will see Hugh Rock Kilbride

 

ROCK  HUGH  KING'S  KILBRIDE 

 

In Griffiths registrations for Kings Offally.

I ran a check on the Surname Pinder Nothing then went Pender

 

PENDER  JAMES  KING'S  KILBRIDE       
PENDER  ANNE  KING'S  KILBRIDE       
PENDER  JAMES  KING'S  KILBRIDE       
PENDER  MICHAEL  KING'S  KILBRIDE

 

So i think a family link on these names

What do you think

 

Mike

Hi Mike,

Charles didn't have a TOL because he had a Conditional Pardon No. 46/251 in 1846 but when I tried to locate it I came up 'not found' except on one site which had him as Charles RUCK. That was one which required membership to view so I didn't go any further there as they had that mistake already.

Thank you for that great info on Ann Rock ux Pinder or Pender. Can you explain ux and NR for me please. It is a shame that she died the year after her TOL though when she was only 47 years old.

There would appear to be a connection to Hugh Rock if they were all from King's Kilbride. I have come across him before, possibly in my New Zealand research.

Hi Norma i really dont Know what they stand for The ux seems odd it may have been nr was non readable.With ux she may have had another name

but again could not read.

 

There were only 4 Pender in Offaly in kilbride,now the thing is kilbride is not that far from Westmeath.

I will find the site for you where i retrieved the info.

will get back to you

 

mike

Norma im sure it was off this site,ignore soldiers and marines section as i cant find home page

 

 

mike

Norma it was on that site Hopefully this page

 

The N R looks like it may have been not Registered.

 

Mike

Norma this is the New Griffiths,Its better than the old one for Info

 

 

Just type in ROCK under offaly

 

it will then find hugh,you can view the land on the next one

 

mike

Mike,

I found more info on Charles Rock today in our Library which has a great Repository of old record books as well as the reels, fiche, CDs etc. Some things there don't appear online for some reason but I found him 'owned by' William Alderson at Windsor on the 1837 Return of Convicts. Leanne from nsw group had found him in the 1841 Census as Charles RUCK at Windsor arriving in 1830 aboard Katharine Stewart Forbes which fits exactly for Charles Rock so somewhere along the name a spelling error was made. I still couldn't find a death using the other spelling either, in case that error had been repeated. I did get the TOL information on Ann from the site but couldn't find her marriage as Pinder or Pender but I'm still following up all that stuff you gave me. As always I am saying Thanks Mike.

Do you have any information on the MSN closedown of the groups? Liz first thought it was another hoax but she now says it IS going to happen and she is looking at alternatives. It will be hard to find anything as good as we have here with such great managers and helpful members.

Norma

Hello NORMA thanks for the update.The groups are closing but they are giving an option to transfer.The managers will keep members updated so dont worry.

I sent liz What marian found this morning.I will be on and off site for next couple of Days Daughter gave Birth to a Grandson This morn but the POOR FELLOW IS NOT WELL.

WILL LET YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.

 

Mike

Hi Norma.in the 1871 Grevilles 1872 Post Office Directory It shows

 

ALDERSON Frederick tanner Macquarie St. Windsor
ALDERSON William H. tanner Macquarie St. Windsor

So i think the Family must have been in the leather Business.

 

Mike

Norma a shade moreNot sure if same one

 

Surname: ROCK
Given name(s): Charles
Source date: DH 1883
http://www.saghs.org.au/cgi-bin/sadeaths/db_search.cgi

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