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From: MSN NicknameCurliestJimbert  (Original Message)Sent: 5/8/2007 5:44 AM
The Astute. Apparently this can run for 25 years with needing refuelling.
Jimbert
 
 


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 Message 88 of 102 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 2/28/2008 7:30 PM
Seafire
#85. Pleasure.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 2/28/2008 8:08 PM
Hobbs
That link I sent
You might have to paste it into google there are 2 videos with the RH pointing arrowhead, they look the same but the bottom one has more shots. Enjoy.

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From: MSN NicknameHobbs410Sent: 2/29/2008 9:02 AM
An interesting link Flash But quite a lot of it to be useful would be too big and way too expensive. The SOF capabilities are quite interesting though.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 2/29/2008 1:26 PM
??SOF capabilities.?

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From: MSN NicknameHobbs410Sent: 3/3/2008 6:11 PM
Special Operations Forces
 
Seals, Recon, Special Boat Services, and similar, people you once referred to as secret squirrels. I doubt you would find 2000 US Marines to live under the sea for that long no matter what kind of luxuries you provided for them. It is an interesting concept but I doubt it would fly.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 3/6/2008 11:09 AM
I think we did quite a few SF landings in WW2. Sometimes even managed to take them off again

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 3/6/2008 11:22 AM
"But quite a lot of it to be useful would be too big and way too expensive"
 
Your nuclear subs are bigger than those Jap I-400s. Your Soviet Agent of influence Dexter White must have overslept one day. The Soviets demanded a couple "for evaluation". Within a few days you'd torpedoed the lot off Pearl Harbour.
 
 
Dexter White - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Harry Dexter White (October 1892 �?August 16, 1948) was an American economist and senior U.S. Treasury department official. He was a primary mover behind ...
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From: MSN NicknameHobbs410Sent: 3/6/2008 12:15 PM
The new Seawolf class has room for 40 odd Seals it is the first US sub designed with them in mind. Admittedly if you took out the missiles you could put more on. 
It is the most expensive and largest sub built costing as much as an aircraft carrier.
 
Can you imagine the size and cost of a troop carrier if it was minimally submersable say no more than 100 ft max depth,  it would probably be detectable from the surface by its wake and as it goes deeper the costs go up.  And finding 2000 or more troops to live on the thing would be difficult. Our navy does special testing to make sure that a sailor can live like that quite a few motivated to be submariners, don't make it.
 
So I yet again state that it's an interesting idea that probably won't work. 

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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 3/6/2008 5:28 PM
The new Seawolf class has room for 40 odd Seals it is the first US sub designed with them in mind. Admittedly if you took out the missiles you could put more on. 
 
Hobb's do ya have a link for the info where ya read this.  I find it very interestin' and curious as to what they mean by removin' missiles.  In the SSBM's (submerisable ship ballistic missile nuclear) ya have silo's that can be removed and free up more room.  In most fast attack boats (SSN's) though ya don't have silo's so ya just take out to sea a smaller complement of torp's and tomahawks and remove the weap's racks.  Now in the new Virginia class they have VLS (vertical launch system) tubes and they can be removed then replaced with a nine man lock in/lock out chamber.  So I have to admit I was unaware that the Seawolf had VLS, so I am curious to read about it to see if they do or if they are just talkin' about takin' out a smaller complement of weap's to sea.

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From: MSN NicknameHobbs410Sent: 3/7/2008 6:57 AM
The Seawolf and Virginia are in the same class, I believed that Seawolf was the class leader and therefore the namesake of the class. The removal of the launch tubes was my idea. By removing them all you would end up with a larger area for them to work in.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 3/7/2008 2:16 PM
And finding 2000 or more troops to live on the thing would be difficult
 
Sorry Hobbs, where did the requirement for 2,000 troops come from? I think 2,000 is pushing one's luck, or absolute bliss depending on which way one swings.

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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 3/9/2008 3:54 AM
Hobbs, yer #97.  Yep bro yer correct that classes of ships or boats (subs) are named after the name of the first hull in the class.  The Seawolf SSN-21 and the Virginia SSN-774 are two different classes of boats though bro.  While many of the tech advances that came with the imporvement of the 21's over the older 688's were integrated into the newest class 774's.  Which the 774's also have some advanced systems that are not on the 21's.  The main reason I can see that the Seawolf program was shut down and no more hulls laid beyond three is the cost of them  So they came out with a new class that was scaled downed in cost and size, so hence the 774's.  The 774's are also laid down on a dictation towards littorals which many of the older boats were for a open sea blue water Navy.

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From: MSN NicknameHobbs410Sent: 3/10/2008 7:07 AM
Normal
The link Flash provided for Combatreform in #87 is where I think I found out about the Seals.

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From: MSN NicknameHobbs410Sent: 3/10/2008 7:10 AM
Flash
I thought that sense you were sending me on the journey that started in #87 you were in favor of the position advocated by the site. Which I found interesting but the Idea that the USN would give up it's LPD's and similar to do everything submersably seemed stupid.

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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 3/11/2008 2:48 AM
Hobbs, thanx bro for the link info. It's very much appreciated.

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