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Spiral Staircase : The Dumb Supper
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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«  (Original Message)Sent: 4/17/2005 10:01 PM
From: »®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«  (Original Message) Sent: 10/11/2004 12:54 AM
I have decided to share my experience of a Dumb Supper, because there is not a lot of information available on the subject, so I will add my small insights to the topic. Granted, because it is my experience alone it may be meaningless or a simple curiousity to some, neither am I saying it was the right or wrong way of doing things ... only that it was mine. Ancestor reverence is always a personal thing, isn't it?
 
After spending considerable time trying to hunt down resources regarding this ritual, I decided to create my own version ... so if it does not match anything you've heard of, don't be surprised since I often work on intuition. For instance, not one version I found or spoke of working within a circle ... I happen to use circles when dealing with 'other' energies (especially in my home), I decided to do so in this case as well with the modification of a 'western gate' for my guest of honour. Because I enjoy working with points and elements, they are usually invited to the party, lol (I'm a nature child what can I say?) ANYways ...
 
Circle cast, personal protections in place, the table set with white flowers, a picture of my grandmother, candles, incense, a setting for one at the western seat, 2 glasses of spirits, a bell, pen & paper with a few divination tools.
 
Most renditions I found spoke of special meal preparations ... such as the deceased's favorite dishes, or prep'ed silently, or with this or that herb and candle. Instead since I knew I was getting together with family for thanksgiving, I chose to bring that meal home to the supper ... each of us placed a food offering on the plate (3 generations of females since our kids joined in) and set it aside.
 
The table was set in silence and as elaborately as any guest deserves with fresh flowers and candles, the meal was placed and the wine poured. Speaking from the heart I spoke a few words in my grandmothers honour and simply invited her memory and spirit to attend if she would. I rang the bell to commence the supper.
 
Its interesting what you observe when you sit in silence for an hour. At first I prayed silently and thought deeply of my departed grandmother, I made my peace as best I knew how, then I watched the incense and the candles burn. I had made sure to close the balcony door and window, so I simply watched the light and shadows in the room. Earlier when I was choosing a divination tool, I didn't think about it, just let intuition guide my hand... I ended up with my pendulum (and ouija board of all things!), 3 stones and my phoenix cards. An odd selection to say the least. I used the pendulum to establish whether or not I could have communication. It was put aside after I received a yes to whether or not my invitation had been accepted. I asked for guidance, shuffled my cards and drew one. I then spent more time sitting and looking around. Oddly enough there were 2 or 3 occassions when suddenly the smell of the food was overpowering (literally filling the room) ... considering the amount of incense, flowers and candles (and that the meal had been cooked and served elsewhere hours earlier), it just seemed odd that the smell filled the room so strongly then was gone. At some point or another in the hour each candle around the circle and on the table flared up (there was no breeze) as I sat an drank my glass of wine. It was a quiet, introspective night ... one that gives those that host the supper a chance to truly reflect on loved ones gone on ahead. I'm not certain what its like sitting and eating with a silent group, but sitting in the stillness allowed me to pick up on small oddities that may have gone unnoticed by a moving group ... things like the smell of the meal, the movement of the candles or when watching the incense rise straight up towards the ceiling and suddenly have it roil towards me in a cloud from across the table, ... small things. There is no given time allotment in any resources for the supper, so I chose to mark mine to the length of time it took the stick incense to burn. Towards the end I used my stones for a small list of yes/maybe/no questions, noticed that the incense was finished, then rang the bell signaling the end of the supper.
 
I closed off the supper with a few words. I then dismantled the settings ... placed her plate and cup outside... the flowers, picture and (her) candles on my altar. I put everything away then went and looked into what the message was from my phoenix card.
 
As far as new experiences go, I think this one was a good one... it did what it needed to do and that was allow the living to remember and honour the dead. Granted it is a little bit elaborate compared to some ancestral worship, but it is effective. A memorial of the heart, mind and soul .... a chance to interact once more. For me it was a chance to pay my respects and remember my grandmother, an acknowledgement of what she was in my life and a chance to wish her well one last time. At the very basic, the Dumb Supper is a gesture of loving respect whether its spirit or memory that attends.
 
Having now experienced this small quiet event, I must admit to a curiousity regarding a larger one or maybe one on such a night as samhain. Hmmm


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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«Sent: 4/17/2005 10:03 PM
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From: Devine Sent: 10/11/2004 12:48 PM
     Well it sounds like it was a smooth nite.  I can't say that I would have the patience to sit still that long(but then my ancestors would know that so it would be ok lol) I am very glad you shared this with us and with such detail.  I am curious as to if you felt your grandmothers spirit was with you? perhaps others?  You described the events but not your emotions and perhaps that is too personal to share here. 
     I am curious now to also try to contact my passed loved ones, as I feel they are with me at times.   I am a little nervous though just incase they answer me lol. 
  This sounds like a wonderful dumb dinner Red.  You put in alot of thought and preparation and I am sure your grandmother was pleased.  It would also make a good model for others to follow. 
    Thankyou again for sharing it here with us,
             Devine

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«</NOBR> Sent: 10/11/2004 1:42 PM
Hi Devine,
 
In answer to your curiousity... the emotional side of it was personal for me and my Gram, so I didn't bother addressing it in the above post :o) I omitted it not because it was too personal but that it wouldn't be of any interest to anyone but family, lol. However I do believe she was here last night and accepted my company for a short while. The messages I recieved through the stones and the phoenix card were rather telling and I'll accept both for what they are... a gift and a gentle reminder of things to yet to be done.
 
If you have any questions, I'd be glad to share the limited info and experience I do have :o)
 
Blessings,
Red

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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«Sent: 4/17/2005 10:17 PM
I've decided to do another dumb supper ... this one will be on the eve of Beltane. This time the guest list will be my grandparents and cousin on my mothers side. I am hoping to have my tape recorder and mic by then and will also be doing an active evp through out the process. I have a few questions I think only kin can answer, so if they are willing to except my invitation ... it may be an interesting night. I've been working out the details (including having my sensitive child out of the house) and will have things as precise as possible with having last years experience to work from.
 
 

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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«Sent: 5/1/2005 11:44 PM
Well my dumb supper went off well ... it was rather quiet. And due to a screw up in equipment I never got to do my evp at all ... that was disappointing. I did however lay out the invitation for further contact should they have information or insights I need to know in dealing with current issues. Whether they take that invitation is another thing. 2 interesting this occurred in the span of the dinner ... how they are related, I'm not certain... the first was that while I sat quietly in my circle of candles, I could hear things falling  in the house... I never saw anything, just heard sudden noises from the other rooms (like when you drop something) and the entire time I sat at the table my back felt like it was vibrating with a deep hum or buzz, especially along the middle left. Was slightly discerting but not unpleasant.  I had taken a slightly different approach this year by incorperating a ring of fire (9 candles) around the table and actively casting a circle with a western gate ... I invited my kin to partake of the honour I was giving and to accept or not the invitation of any contact with them on behalf of the family. The rest from that point is a wait and see.
 
ANYways ... so goes the latest report from the dinner table of Yours Truly, lol
 

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From: MSN Nickname£ÔRÐ×ß4ÐG3R�?/nobr>Sent: 5/2/2005 3:31 AM
It sounds like you had a very interesting and successful working Red... --L.B.

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From: MSN Nicknameimbas1Sent: 5/2/2005 2:11 PM
Red,
 
As I am always the curious one......a few questions!
After your supper was over, and you removed and left the circle.....Did you find anything in the house that had fallen? Or were the noises basically temporal distractions?
How long did the feeling in your back persist?
Were there any other signs of contact?
Any significant dreams following?
 
It sounds like it was different and more intense than the last one. You know how it is with dinners....sometimes more people accept than others. Too bad you can't get them to RSVP! The buzzing and falling noises almost seem to remind me of a slight shift in dimensional space.
 
At any rate, I always enjoy the sharing of your experiences!

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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«Sent: 5/2/2005 8:02 PM
G'Day ...
 
Twas interesting Badger, not sure how successful it was ... that remains to be seen.
 
Imbas ... always glad to answer your questions...
 
Did you find anything in the house that had fallen? No, I looked around to see if anything was broken or displaced and found nothing, although I have a straight line of sight from table to 2 rooms and the hall, when I was hearing things hit the ground, I could see anything and spent some time trying to figure of sound association.
 
Or were the noises basically temporal distractions? I suspect thats possible since I couldn't find anything on the floors.
 
How long did the feeling in your back persist? From the time I took my seat, til the time I rang the bell. However, for about an hour afterwards I was real jittery
 
Were there any other signs of contact? Nothing else that my eye or mind could pick up
 
Any significant dreams following? Nothing yet ...
 
 
 

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