MSN Home  |  My MSN  |  Hotmail
Sign in to Windows Live ID Web Search:   
go to MSNGroups 
Free Forum Hosting
 
Important Announcement Important Announcement
The MSN Groups service will close in February 2009. You can move your group to Multiply, MSN’s partner for online groups. Learn More
Betwixt the Sea and Sky[email protected] 
  
What's New
  
  Messages and Momentos  
  General  
  Discussions  
  Fun & Games  
  World Care  
  Pictures  
  The Gallery  
  ï¿½?Fetch �?/A>  
  â˜¼â‚ª �?�?�?�?�?/A>  
  Treasure Box  
  Bards Bench  
  Sound Waves  
  Inspirations  
  Prayers & Wishes  
  Family Life  
  Smiles  
  Kith & Kin  
  Bards Bench  
  Workshop  
  Recipe & Remedy  
  Documents  
  Betwixt's Own  
  Betwixt's Pick  
  Bars and Banners  
  Backgrounds  
  Gifts  
  â˜¼â‚ª �?�?�?�?�?/A>  
  Kith & Kin  
  Parenting Links  
  Well Wishes  
  Amber Alert  
  â˜¼â‚ª �?�?�?�?�?/A>  
  Wheel of the Year  
  Metals  
  Tree Magic  
  Stones & Gems  
  Animal Lore  
  The Winds  
  Earth Energy  
  Moon Phases  
  Red Hill Valley  
  Kids Stuff  
  â˜¼â‚ª �?�?�?�?�?/A>  
  Library  
  The Bookstand  
  Study Hall  
  Tales & Legends  
  Pathways  
  The Occult  
  Pagan Nomads Dictionary  
  â˜¼â‚ª �?�?�?�?�?/A>  
  Nature's Realm  
  Herbal Applications  
  Herbal Safety  
  Witches Pharmacopoeia  
  Wild Herbs  
  The Healers Nook  
  Weed Wanderings  
  â˜¼â‚ª �?�?�?�?�?/A>  
  Common Ground  
  Religion ~ Timeline  
  Golden Rules  
  Religion of Magic  
  Emergence  
  Eco~Spirituality  
  Pantheism  
  Sacred Shapes  
  â˜¼â‚ª �?�?�?�?�?/A>  
  Chakras  
  Meditation  
  Auras  
  Colour  
  Astral  
  Past Lives  
  Life Forces  
  Reiki  
  Labyrinths  
  Stuff of Dreams  
  Dream Time  
  Lucid Dreams  
  â˜¼â‚ª �?�?�?�?�?/A>  
  Covenant of Peace  
  Desiderata  
  The 3 Worlds  
  The Red Road  
  Yin Yang  
  Warrior's Path  
  Chivalry  
  Brehon Law  
  â˜¼â‚ª �?�?�?�?�?/A>  
  Spirit Realm  
  Apparitions  
  Things that go Bump  
  Haunted  
  Mirror ~ Mirror  
  Spiral Staircase  
  â˜¼â‚ª �?�?�?�?�?/A>  
  Divination  
  Rune Lore  
  Numerology  
  A few last words...  
  ï¿½?± �?± �?± �?/A>  
  Community Posts  
  Phoenix  
  Re R.Phx  
  Hawk's Own  
  Mah Jongg  
  Badger's  
  Wanduring's  
  Nymph's  
  Fernmeadow's  
  Sidhabhair's  
  
  
  Tools  
 
Spiral Staircase : The DOPler Effect
Choose another message board
 
     
Reply
(1 recommendation so far) Message 1 of 1 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameLeilaOfTheWoods  (Original Message)Sent: 8/2/2005 6:38 AM

The DOPler Effect
Do objects disappear around your home, then inexplicably reappear? You might be a victim of DOP, or Disappearing Object Phenomena. What could be the cause?

One afternoon I was copying programs using my old Commodore 64 computer in a room designated as the "computer room." The copy program had just instructed me to swap disks, and I remember taking the "original" disk out of the drive and laying it on the desk next to the keyboard. At that time, my mother called me out of the room and I went to see what she needed. Upon my return a few minutes later, I noticed that it was time for another disk swap. The disk was not where I had left it. I looked everywhere. I took all of the disks out of the disk file, looked under the desk - everywhere - and couldn't find it. I left the room, and came back, determined to retrace my steps. When I came back, the same result - nothing. I left again, saying to myself that "enough was enough." When I came back, my first impulse was to check the disk file again. I flipped down the first disk in the file - and there it was - backwards. At that instant, I felt an incredible feeling of dread and could swear that I heard a faint, but amused laugh.

The person looks high and low for the object, but it cannot be found. A short time later, the person is surprised to find the object returned to the spot where it is always kept.

Stories like this appear in my e-mailbox on a regular basis - common examples of disappearing object phenomena (DOP). Typically, DOP involves an object that the person had just been using or that they invariably keep in one particular place. When they go to use the object, it is gone. The person looks high and low for the object, often getting others involved in the search, but it cannot be found. A short time later, or perhaps the next day, the person is surprised to find the object returned to the spot where it is always kept or in some other obvious place where the search should have found it.

What happened here? Where did the object go? Why did it "disappear"? How was it returned? What forces are at work in this highly strange yet relatively commonplace phenomenon? There are several possibilities, from the mundane to the peculiar to the profoundly bizarre - both psychological and paranormal.

Absentmindedness

[My] latest loss is a nice birthday card that my husband printed out for my mother. I showed it to everyone, then left it on the kitchen table overnight so I could send it the next day. It's gone. No one has seen it, no one remembers moving it, and we still haven't found it, although we've looked all over the house...

When examining such occurrences as DOP, we must first consider the most ordinary possibility: that the person simply misplaced the object or forgot where he/she put it. This, in fact, probably accounts for the vast majority of reported DOPs. For example, a woman always puts her hairbrush in the same place on her dressing table, but now is not there. It's quite possible that, being distracted somehow, she absentmindedly carried it to another room and put it down on a table. Naturally, when she goes to look for the brush she's astonished that it's not on the dressing table. And she'll most likely look all around the dressing table since that is where it is always kept. She might not even think to look in the other room on the table because... why in the world would she ever do such a thing? Yet things like this probably happen more often than we imagine.

This DOP possibility falls apart when the hairbrush is later found on the dressing table in its usual spot. Unless the woman was experiencing temporary blindness with regard to this one object, then other possibilities must be considered.

The Borrower

Here's another mundane, but highly possible cause that we must consider if we are to investigate DOP seriously. When the hairbrush has vanished from the dressing table, after her initial search, the woman would quite likely question other members of the household. Even though they might deny up and down that they borrowed the hairbrush, it's very plausible that a family member did, in fact, borrow the item. Seeing that mom is upset, and perhaps not wanting to get into trouble for borrowing an item they know they shouldn't touch, they'll deny taking it. Then, when mom is elsewhere in the house, the borrower sneaks back to the dressing table and returns the brush. And when mom returns to the scene of the "crime," the brush has amazingly returned to its proper spot. And a household mystery is born.

This possibility can be eliminated, of course, if the person lives alone or when other family members are not around when the DOP occurs.

The "absentminded" and "borrower" possibilities aren't as exciting or intriguing as those that follow, but they probably solve a majority of DOP cases. We must remember that any paranormal investigation must first rule out the most likely, if pedestrian, explanations for what seems like an unexplainable event. Only then can we consider more unusual possibilities.

Poltergeist

I have all of my grandmother's jewelry boxes and most of her jewelry. Many times I would forget and leave my jewelry out on my dresser or counter, and in the morning they would be gone from the dresser or counter and in one of the jewelry boxes.

When the DOPler Effect takes place, a lot of people blame a poltergeist, if only half seriously. A poltergeist is usually defined as a mischievous or noisy spirit. Poltergeist activity often includes unexplained noises, music, smells and movement of objects. So when that hairbrush disappears, some people think, it must be because of a poltergeist.

Is it an actual spirit that has somehow become attached to the object? Or does the activity arise from the person's subconscious and their emotional relationship to the object and its original owner?

And some might have more reason to think a poltergeist is responsible than others. This might be the case if the hairbrush incident is not an isolated one. If the person finds that objects are "disappearing" or being moved on a regular basis, for example. Or if there are other phenomena, such as unexplained smells and noises that the person can associate with the missing item.

Sometimes the particular item has a history that gives the person the idea that a spirit is involved. For instance, a watch that belonged to a grandfather might be found to be moved to a certain place on its own - the sort of place that grandfather usually kept it. Or like the case of the grandmother's jewelry above.

Even though it seems likely to the person that a spirit or poltergeist is responsible, it is still unknown what a poltergeist really is. In the case of DOP, is it an actual spirit that has somehow become attached to the object and by some force that science cannot yet explain moves or borrows the object? Or does the activity arise from the person's subconscious and their emotional relationship to the object and its original owner?

Temporary Invisibility

It was the night of my freshman homecoming. I had brought three dresses a few days or so before and was planning on wearing the simple black and white one. Nothing fancy. I went to my closet an hour or so before the dance to get ready... and the dress wasn't in my closet. Nowhere in my closet, not even with the other two dresses. My mom and I searched everywhere but still couldn't find it. My mom finally said I had to wear one of the others... and so I chose one of the white ones. A day or so after the dance, I went to my closet to find a shirt... and the black and white dress I was going to wear to the dance was the first piece of clothing on the rack. Go figure.

Let's again take the example of the woman and her hairbrush. She believes she placed it on the dressing table as always, but it is gone and she has thoroughly looked for it. There's no one else in the house who could have borrowed it. A while later, it's back on the dressing table. It was Sherlock Holmes in The Adventure of the Beryl Coronet who said, "It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Okay, Mr. Holmes, here's an improbable explanation: the hairbrush - or the girl's dress - temporarily became invisible.

There is no scientific hypothesis that allows for an object to become invisible and then, after a time, become visible again. Yet that is exactly the effect as perceived by some DOP experiencers. And if this temporary invisibility is somehow possible, it raises many questions: How or for what reason does a specific object become invisible? Does the effect have something to do with the person's regular or intimate use of the object? Is it a physical effect produced by some unknown mechanics of the human mind?

Dimensional Shift

I looked everywhere for my car keys. I looked everywhere in the kitchen and living room - just everywhere! Then all of a sudden I heard keys drop in the kitchen. I went in and there they were on the ground.

The existence of dimensions other than the three we jostle around in every day is theorized by science. Sometimes referred to as "other planes of existence" by the more spiritually minded, these dimensions are sometimes thought of as places where spirits and other forms of reality might reside. Could the temporary invisibility or movement of objects be explained by their slipping into another dimension? Is some kind of dimensional or temporal shift to blame? It's a pretty far-out notion, but then a genuine DOPler experience is hard to explain.

Even when the rational explanations are ruled out, there are still enough intriguing DOPler experiences remaining to remind us that there is much more to this life, this reality than we are currently aware.

And here, I suppose, is one more possibility:

The first thing I think of when that [DOP] happens is faeries, since one of the places I lived in had some. They tended to take things and then give them back later. One time, in full view of a number of people, I was getting ready to leave the apartment, and since I was always in the habit of misplacing my keys, no faeries needed, I had taken to hanging them on a heavy "biker wallet" chain and had some jangly brass keytags to boot. They weren't where I'd put them, and I had to leave. So I hollered, "Okay, guys, this isn't funny. I need my keys NOW!" My friends were watching as they materialized out of thin air above the shelf I had my phone answering machine on and clattered to the shelf.  


First  Previous  No Replies  Next  Last