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Discussions : Easter vs. Ostara
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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«  (Original Message)Sent: 3/5/2004 3:36 AM
Well here comes 'that holiday' the most controversial one in my family... Easter. I know the difference between Ostara and easter and therefore celebrate Ostara here in our home. However my mother, who isn't a particular devote christian gets her hackles up when I start messing with Easter. My sister simply doesn't 'do' easter but because I am a parent  (of one of her grandchildren) I am not supposed to be exempt... meaning I am supposed to nod and smile while grandmother dotes on the grandchildren with the tradtional stuffed rabbit, a couple pounds of chocolate, some new clothes and the lovingly prepared ham dinner that the sugar high children won't eat! This is the only christian observance that creates both tension and very polite behavior because my mother knows I don't feel the holiday has any cohesion or real meaning to my spiritual life. I won't mention her reaction when I once explained that eating the flesh of a dead guy wasn't cool.... hence the polite behavior. Anyways...

The Easter Bunny .... oh boy. Santa is portrayed as a Spirit of the holiday, but I'm still dodging the great rabbit debate. I have explained March Hares and the symbolism of the eggs issue, but have a hard time trying to add it in with the death of christ. Which in itself is a whole new kettle of fish around here. Every year I have this struggle between Ostara and Easter... so far I've managed to walk the line between them (not with the same finnesse as Yule/Christmas, unfortunately).

Out of curiousity, does anyone else have religious conflicts of this nature?
 
Bright Blessings,
Red Phoenix


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From: DevineSent: 3/5/2004 6:34 PM
I never celebrated the Christ side of Easter.  My family is not particularly religious never has been, even when we were young.  The Easter bunny came but we didnt question why. It was one of the few times we got candy.  With my kids I followed along with the bunny holiday because they were little and it was a time I could spoil them.  They are older now so I am sure I could cut it out all together and they wouldnt miss it.  I am new to Paganism so I havent really celebrated the holidays yet.  Perhaps this year I will do Ostara, I would like that.  
  Deidre

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From: MSN NicknameMaryJaneVSent: 3/6/2004 5:27 PM
Red.. 
 
Just about all of the traditions of Easter from the eggs to the rabbit, to baskets, to easter egg hunts and even the ham, are ALL from old pagan traditions.  Christians borrowed our ideas long ago in the hopes of blending  the 2 religions and converting pagans to Christianity.  Well obviously it didn't work too well, but  the traditions are all of a Pagan origin.  I also find it peculiar that  the DATE of Easter (and all other Christian observances in the season, ie Lent, , Ash Wednesday) is based on moon cycles.   
 
I wouldn't worry about your daughter having an "easter basket" but I would tell your mother that instead of candy the basket be filled with new school supplies like crayons, some cool erasers, perhaps some ribbons for her hair, small things like that.  A LITTLE bit of candy is ok, but a basket full is NOT acceptable.  I didn't have a hard time with this when my kids were little because my oldest had food allergies so I just told my mom.. " LOOK..  NO candy"..  and she was ok with it. 
 
I also recommend you start a tradition of bringing some taper candles for the Easter meal.  It can be a gift for your mom and it will also help with adding a little paganism to their easter celebration.
 
Just enjoy the day with your family, try to set aside differences and curtail them NOW before that 2 pounds of chocolate is purchased.  Its quite ok for you to view the day in a different light than your family, and perhaps bringing in some new traditions like the candles, may make everyone feel more festive and less tense. 
 
Just my 2 cents worth. 
 
mj
 

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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«Sent: 3/6/2004 6:47 PM
I argee MJ and I really do try to be accepting of it and just enjoy the family time. However... the problem is that I would like to do the rabbit and eggs on Ostara (march 20th this year) as according to my own practices but I know full well that grandma (my mother) will be affronted should I do so... since those rabbits and egg hunts have been adopted by the orthodox Easter (April 11 this year) and I would be 'ruining the holiday'.  Perhaps it seems petty, but I don't like it when family trys to dictate the occassions in my own home.... and in this case it means either telling my daughter she is fortunate enough to celebrate twice (and explain the difference between the 2 dates) and going ahead with the 'trappings' on my Ostara and risk my mothers ire. Or I have the choice of going along with the status quo and being cooperative with my mom's wishes and not pushing the issue.
(sigh...parents).
 
Granted, I do like your idea about substituting the tradtional easter basket with things other then candy and such... perhaps I can come to a compromise with her. I get the rabbit & eggs... she gets the easter basket...hmmmm

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From: MSN NicknameMaryJaneVSent: 3/6/2004 11:51 PM
2 celebrations. 
 
 I think its a great idea and if mom doesn't approve of Ostara, don't invite her and have your family celebration at your mom's on Easter.  It also exposes your daughter to different cultures so she can make her own choices when she is ready. 
 
It is tough, but I don't think Goddess minds if you celebrate twice.  

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From: MSN NicknameÑÿmþhSent: 3/9/2004 3:41 AM
Having both a upbringing rooted in Christian Dogma and my penchance for all things pagan....I can see both sides of the fence.
 
As a devote Christian the idea and symbolism of the egg was summed up by the idea of Jesus being "dead" and the burial ground being a catacomb aka cave, much like our hard shelled egg in which life can "spring" forth another enity of eternal life..Jesus rises from his catacomb after 3 days..It takes approximately 30 days to hatch an egg. The whole rabbit thing in my own teachings was summed up as secular and not of the church. Although you could stretch it to encompass the"go forth and multiply" bit.

Unfortunately I never really bought into the whole Easter Christian explaination. Here's my take on it.
 
Eostre aka Ostara the celebration of the vernal equinox when once again there are equal hours of night and day. Taken by some as the God and Goddess reuniting, a balance of both the Sun and Moon.
 
In Rome the warrior god Mars( the name sake of this month) is most potent and invoked along with the fertility goddesses. The was also the commemorated story of Cybele (Phyrgian mother goddess) and Attis in the Roman world on March 24 the day of Blood.
 
Greif stricken Cybele transformed the mutilated corpse of her lover into a pine tree (note: pine tree is refered to in Germanic patheons and Christmas trees) and carried her belove to her temple and after a frenzy of preist let blood her beloved was resurected. Sounds like Osris and Isis.
 
Stories of death and resurrection are should be regarded as metaphors for the rebirth of the natural world during the spring equinox. Hence the parallel of the Christ resurrection.
 
Funny thing the Easter egg ( ultimate symbol of female fertility) and even the name Easter are taken from the saxon fertility goddess Eastre (or Eostre), whose representation , the wild hare has evolved to the beloved easter bunny.  
 
 
For a far more incompassing essay on the topic click here.
 
 

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