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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«  (Original Message)Sent: 3/20/2004 7:18 AM
I was researching Yoga and found this article... Reminds me yet again of the diversity in thought and reason.
 
 
Is Yoga Really So Bad?
The truth behind this exercise sensation
by Sarah E. Pavlik
 
"Yoga has changed my life," my friend Beth gushed as she twisted her body into a gravity-defying pose. Her newfound agility impressed me. Beth continued, "Yoga's centered me; it's relieved a lot of stress. Just try one class with me." She did seem calmer, so my curiosity was piqued. Besides, I could use the exercise. And yoga classes seemed to be popping up everywhere—the local university, my gym, even at a couple local churches. One class couldn't hurt,I reasoned. So I decided to give yoga a try.
 
Once in the class, I scanned the room, curious as to what type of people take yoga. The class was comprised of an unlikely bunch: hefty, construction crew-type men, white-haired grandmas, and people such as me, wearing Nikes and t-shirts. I didn't spot any lime-green hair, or a single pierced nose. Suddenly my attention was drawn to the front of the room. There she was, the instructor—a bit larger than I expected. She looked nothing like those leotard-clad yoga instructors on TV. Her wiry blonde hair blended with her wire-rimmed glasses, giving her an all-around bland appearance. She spoke softly but with intimidating authority.
 
"Take off your shoes and socks," she said with a whisper. Reluctantly I removed them, hoping nobody else in the room could smell my feet. She explained that we needed to be barefoot so we could sink our feet into the earth. Funny, this earth looked a lot like carpet to me. But I complied, imagining my feet squishing into the soft, fertile ground.
 
"Now we need to get acquainted with our breath. Americans generally breathe through their mouths and miss the benefits of breathing fully," she informed us. I forced the air in and out, trying to make friends with my breath. It felt good.
"Yoga is thousands of years old, and as of late, has been accepted by modern medicine as a remedy for back pain and stress reduction," she said between breaths. Thousands of years old? Accepted by the medical community? It must be a good thing, I rationalized as I prepared to stretch. We moved quickly into what she termed poses.
 
First I was a tree. Then she coaxed us into bending our limbs and planting our right foot onto our inner thigh. That wasn't all that difficult until she asked us to squat and twist our torso 90 degrees. She called it the "twisted chair." How appropriate. I looked like a pretzel in blue sweatpants.
 
Next we began "sun salutations." With our hands raised over our heads, we quickly dropped them to our feet. Finally, we brought our entire bodies to the floor, prostrate. It was obvious this was an ancient form of sun worship. Now not only was my body contorting, my mind was too. God's first commandment to not have any other gods before him sprang to mind. I was getting uncomfortable.
 
After several repetitions of sun salutations, she brought us back into "mountain pose." I glanced at the clock and was shocked to see all but five minutes of the hour-long class had slipped by. It was time for the relaxation exercise. My muscles were ready, but my spirit was a bit more cautious.
 
I lay down on the carpeted earth. She encouraged us to shut our eyes and go to our quiet place. Being a mother of two boys, I wasn't sure if such a place existed, so I decided heaven would be my quiet place. "It's time to let go of the stresses of the world, your job, your home, your deadlines, and just be at peace," the instructor said soothingly. The twing-twang of the music seemed to blend with everyone's breathing. Then she instructed us to start squeezing the muscles in our toes, then our feet, on up our legs, abdomen, and finally our faces. What a sight we all must have been lying there, our bodies rigid and our faces forced into Jim Carrey-like contortions. "Now fall back into the earth," our instructor commanded. We repeated this bizarre exercise about three times, and then, the instructor told us to come back into our body.
It was not a happy reunion. My body ached from the wicked chair—or was is it the twisted chair? And my spirit was out of sorts. Scenes of saluting the sun and leaving my body played in my mind as I drove home. Would I be able to stay in yoga without compromising my Christian beliefs? I wondered.
 
Yoga's Hidden Agenda
I did some research before I attended another class. I learned that yoga, practiced predominantly by Buddhists and Hindus, has become one of America's hottest trends. While the variations of yoga are endless, one overriding principle pervades them all: the goal of obtaining oneness with the Universal Soul, known in Hinduism as Brahman, or in Buddhism as Nirvana. Every thought, every muscle movement, every breath I took in that class was designed to bring me to the feet of a false god.
Yoga actually means "union with god" or "to yoke." This union is accomplished by disciplining the flesh through difficult postures and the mind through meditation. Even chanting "Om" during meditation is meant to unite your spirit with the Universal Soul; "Om" is a sacred Hindu sound symbolizing the "Absolute." According to eastern religious thought, once you've mastered these elements, your spirit's no longer bound to your body; it's free to roam the netherworld, guided by a spiritual entity. It's then, according to cult expert Bob Larson, that practitioners believe they "possess all powers, psychic abilities, and sinless perfection." The breathing exercises (pranayamas) are also said to promote psychic abilities.
 
In light of such findings, I realized yoga was more than a harmless exercise regime. I also was troubled by the fact Beth decided to become a Buddhist after only three months of her hatha yoga class, one of the most commonly taught forms of yoga touted by yoga teachers and many physicians as the least religious variation. I wasn't surprised by Beth's decision when I considered what one of today's most influential yoga leaders has to say. According to Swami Vishudevanadar, hatha yoga "prescribes physical methods to begin �?so that the student can manipulate the mind more easily as he advances, attaining communication with one's higher self." Regardless of Beth's original intent, yoga had designs on her spiritual life the moment she removed her shoes.
 
The more I researched it, the more it became obvious yoga is a false gospel, claiming mental and physical disciplines bring about union with God. Just read what Yogi Maharishi Mahesh says about sin and redemption: "[Meditation] brings us more ability for achieving something through right means, and very easily a sinner comes out of the field of sin and becomes a virtuous man." But the true gospel tells a different story: "Since we have now been justified by [Jesus'] blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him" (Romans 5:9). The only union with God we can ever experience is through the saving blood of Jesus.
 
The Lure of De-stressing
Like many, I was originally intrigued by yoga's promise to manage the overwhelming stresses of my life. That's how my friend Michael's three-year struggle with yoga began. When I met Michael, he was a devoted Christian and Bible study teacher. On the advice of a physician, he began a yoga class to relieve the stress of his high-pressure job.
 
One evening, Michael shared with my husband and me his passion for yoga. "With each class I feel as if a new burden's lifted, a new muscle's softened. I don't know how I lived without yoga." But his wife, Leigh, shared the other side of the story with me. Michael's once-a-week class had turned into an everyday obsession, and their conversations had grown strangely mystical. "He keeps saying he can reach the God of the Bible through the body positions and meditations he's learning in class. He says God is somewhere on earth today as an avatar." The Sanskrit word "avatar" means "the descent to earth of a diety." According to the Bhagavad Gita, a sacred Hindu text, and other eastern holy books, God comes to earth and dwells in human form once every age. Buddha, Muhammad, Christ, and Krishna are all considered avatars. In an effort to justify his increasing involvement in yoga, Michael began to mix biblical truths with eastern philosophies—behavior God doesn't tolerate. In the book of James, God makes it clear both fresh and salt water cannot flow from the same spring (3:11-12). Neither can Christians follow God's teaching while following other religious beliefs.
 
Biblical Alternatives to Yoga
Thankfully, I discovered some biblical alternatives to yoga, which I gladly passed to Michael. Once he modified my suggestions to fit his personality and advanced stretching skills, he discovered all the stress-reducing benefits of yoga could be achieved through his relationship with God.
 
Relaxing with God. God showed me yoga doesn't have a monopoly on relaxation techniques. I now set my alarm an hour early so I can spend time alone with God. Before I go to bed, I choose a Bible verse, then write it on an index card. I use a Bible concordance to help me search for a subject relevant to my life. For example, when my husband opened his own business this year, I exhausted all the verses under the heading "fear."
 
Each morning I immerse myself in the verse during a simple 15-minute stretching routine I adapted from the yoga class. While I stretch, I ask myself these questions: What is the main point of this passage? What does God want me to learn from it? How can I apply it to my life today?
 
I try to keep the stretches simple—no more pretzels for me. I start by focusing on the most troublesome areas, specifically tight or painful muscles. Experts suggest you include at least one stretch for each major muscle group—the arms, shoulders, neck, back, abdomen, lower back, buttocks, and legs. You'll want to keep the following points in mind as you develop your personal routine:
 
�?Always warm up a few minutes before you stretch.
�?Never push the stretch to the point of pain.
�?Hold each stretch for 10-20 seconds.
�?Complete 1-3 repetitions per stretch.
 
If you don't feel comfortable putting together your own routine, check with your local church. Many now offer stretching classes. Just make sure they're not influenced by eastern religions. Simply ask the instructor which program they base their class on. If their answer is yoga or tai chi, for example, you'll want to find another class.
 
Exercising with God. Once I'm done stretching, I spend the rest of the hour in what I term "prayerful exercise." Exercise is a perfect time to pray if you choose activities such as walking, biking, jogging, or hiking. I like to start with a worship CD to get my praise juices flowing. Listening to the lyrics prepares my spirit to connect with God. Sometimes I find it helpful to bring a list of prayer requests to refresh my memory, but usually the praise music, time alone, and natural surroundings are sufficient inspiration. Regardless of the exercise I choose, my time alone with God renews my mind and the exercise fuels me for another busy day.
 
Meditating God's way. Aside from stretching, another one of yoga's primary promises is to calm your mind through meditation. The difference between yoga meditation and the type God commands in Scripture is twofold: the object of our meditation and the result. Yogi philosophers urge followers to empty their mind. This empty mind, they claim, is the doorway to communion with the Universal Soul. But cult expert Bob Larson warns that yoga mediators "should not be deceived into thinking they have communed with the Lord." What they have done instead is "left [their] mind open to an evil invasion by the spirit being associated with the particular discipline employed."
 
God, on the other hand, should always be at the center of true meditation. While prayer and Bible study tend to be proactive, meditation is your time to listen to God. I meditate by focusing on a single verse. You may prefer meditating on one of God's characteristics, one of his names, or an aspect of his creation. As you do this, over time you'll grow closer to God, because you'll have learned how to "cast all your anxiety on him" (1 Peter 5:7).
 
Looking back, I'm amazed at how God used my yoga experience to teach me to be more discerning. The apostle John warns, "Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God" (1 John 4:1). It wasn't until after my yoga adventure that I began practicing this advice. Now I use my Bible to test whether the latest trends, personal habits, or beliefs truly belong to God. Characteristically, God took what was meant for evil and turned it into good (Genesis 50:20).
 
He also used the yoga class to introduce me to Christian meditation. Through this practice, I'm getting to know him more intimately. I'm learning to rely on him when I'm anxious, and to be quiet so I can hear him speak. For the first time I understand what it means to be still and know that he is God (Psalm 46:10). Besides my personal spiritual growth, I also have more energy and feel healthier.
 
Like many Christians, I was ignorant of yoga's underlying force. What appeared to be a healthy exercise alternative really harbored a more insidious agenda. Yoga is designed to lead you into the arms of a false god. The question every Christian considering yoga must ask is: Can I still worship the true God if my body's reaching toward another?


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From: MSN Nicknameimbas1Sent: 3/20/2004 6:10 PM
This is Hysterical! Yoga is an evil plot to steal Christian souls for Satan.......
 
Some people should really, really seek professional help...

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From: WanduringSent: 3/20/2004 8:01 PM
According to most christians, by following the underlying philosophy behind yoga does in fact detract from worship of the christian god.  However, you can apply the principles to christianity if you so desire...  I laud the person in this article for her willingness to incorporate something that many harline christians would find error in...by changing her mindset behind it...There are quite a few people that consider even meditation to be the devils work...sad but true...and generally they don't even research what they are talkign about, rather would listen to the drivel of their various religious figures who are jsuttrying to make sensation...ANYHOW, I love to see a more openminded christian..nothing she wrote in there is flase according to her way..and in fact, it is laudible and respectful. 
 

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From: MSN NicknameÇâlâís•ÑøxSent: 3/20/2004 8:57 PM
This is ridiculous. I can't believe how feeble-minded people can be.

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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«Sent: 3/21/2004 4:07 AM
When I read this article, my first reaction was scorn at what appears to be a steadfast narrow-mindedness and a unwarranted negativity. However, I came to realize rather quickly that it basically comes down to a matter of perspective ... this individual is someone who views the world through a biblical lens and her relationship with god. There is a lot I disagree with in this article ... such as the need to dictate other peoples spirituality (her friends Beth & Micheal etc) and the dismissal of other valid faiths as 'wrong & false' (yep I understand the dogma that promotes it... just don't appreciate it) Anyways, I found it curious that the author was still able to bring the basic principals of yoga philosophy into a shape that is compatible with her connection to god. "He also used the yoga class to introduce me to Christian meditation. Through this practice, I'm getting to know him more intimately. I'm learning to rely on him when I'm anxious, and to be quiet so I can hear him speak" Its unfortunate that the article demonizes alternate faiths, but it still emphasizes the need to reach beyond mind & body to touch the sacred.
 

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From: MSN Nicknameimbas1Sent: 3/22/2004 1:40 PM
Hmmmp, just another example of the Christian theft of another culture to promote their own and their so called true god. If there was a day associated with yoga, you can bet there would soon be a discovered birthday of a saint on the same day.

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From: WanduringSent: 3/23/2004 2:38 AM
That is a rather silly remark...Christianity HAS adapted many different things within it's realm...very true...but so has many many other religions...Why demonize Christianity for being a living religion?  By that statement, many electic pagans are guilty of the same thing...there are many other things that are a much easier target for demonizing within christianity than adaptation to new things.  There is nothing wrong with finding a new thing then adding it to your tools for spiritual growth.  Many people like to say, he stole this, or they stole that...what is wrong with learning new things and adding it your views? We are all guilty of this...Is part of growth...The religion you follow today, is not the same religion it was when first founded...why you might ask...because as new human experiences come into play, you add them to your knowledge base and pass what you have learned on...Look at the various sects within most religions...anyhow...no offense, but this is something alot of people want to castigate christianity for, and it is nonsense...
 

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From: MSN Nicknameimbas1Sent: 3/23/2004 3:30 PM
Hardly nonsense, Christianity has a long and pointed history of doing this. The political force behind the spread of christianity through whatever country was being conquered had and has a solid historical tried and true method of first banning, then demonizing and finally adapting to, whatever the origional, or "pagan" holidays, rituals, or practices were present in that country before. And by adapting to, I mean, renaming after some scrap of fantasy pulled from your book.  Now some christians may want to cry that they are being demonized (that's funny...really) but the core belief of the jewish and christian faith are, one god, all others are false. And all christian faiths believe that no one is saved until they accept your christ. As long as that is the belief, than christianity is not a living religion. You can't go in and say this religion is learning from others while at the same time proclaiming all other religion's minds to be "open to an evil invasion by the spirit being associated with the particular discipline employed."  Eclectic pagans do not proclaim their gods, or lack of gods, to be the only way. Pagan belief has historically, accepted other cultures gods. Quite different from christianity. And pagan religions have grown and changed over the years. All the while, most believing that religous affiliation, is a personal thing. There is nothing wrong with learning new things and adding to your views, but doing it in a way that tries to persuade others that you thought of it first and only your way is acceptable and "true" cause that's what your little book told you is nothing but laughable. If you call yourself a christian, then you must follow the core beliefs, otherwise you are making it up as you go. That's not christian. No offense.

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From: DevineSent: 3/25/2004 3:06 AM
I would say more than theft it is simply an unrealistic fear by a small group of so called Christians.  Their need to have total control of their group and again a fear that their faith is not strong enough to withstand the "evil temptation of spiritual enlightenment".  So they simply modify an excellent form of exercise, that is so popular that it might actually convert people, in order to circumvent that.  The belief that their religion is the best was shaken by this sudden surge of yogaism.  So yes like so many times befor they adapt their teachings to stop the movement of followers.  I dont feel angry anymore just sorry for them.  When exercise can shake the foundation of your religion it must be in pretty sad shape. 
Love and Light
    Devine

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From: WanduringSent: 3/25/2004 3:50 AM
 This is one thing i am going to put my back up about.  It is true, very true that the Abraham religions have commited genocide and many other things in the name of their god...and in some cases still doing so.  HOWEVER, to say that they are the only ones guilty of religious persecution is just wrongheaded.  MANY pagan religions in the old days did the same thing.  We like to point out the Abraham religions for one reason...they are themost visible and themost recent.  What of sumerian citystates? Rome? Various points in chinese history? Japan?  India?  In more ancient times, people would conquer a city...then remake the city in their own image..manytimes even supplanting the existing religions.  Why is it that people don't want to see this?  Because it is easier to point a finger and say,"bad bad"...than to accept that humans since the dawn of time have been extremely warlike and enjoy killing one another or taking what doesn't belong to them..You don't need religion for that.  Genocide has been a FACT since time immorial..as has bigotry, elitism..and many other horrors we inflict upon one another...  To promote hatemongering and bigotry against christianity is to become as they are.  Anyhow...it really irks me that people want to point a finger at any one group and say look at the bad thigns they have done...rather thanpointing the finger at themselves and say look at what humanity has done.  History is rift with examples of human stupidity...look it up and don't let personal bias and bigotry cloud your sight.

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From: MSN Nickname£ÔRÐ×ß4ÐG3R�?/nobr>Sent: 3/25/2004 4:58 AM
On a more serious note...if some group( s) of  xians want to stay purely protestant/Calvinist-mindset etc etc then they should lock themselves away from anything non-biblical. Satan lurks everywhere...everybody knows that! However they also need to keep their strange religious sales pitches amoung themselves imo and allow open-minded people to do explorations in whatever they choose including yoga, meditation, or whatever....
 
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From: MSN NicknameÑÿmþhSent: 3/27/2004 3:32 PM
 Most of the members in Betwixt are open minded individuals and can not adhere or accept the concepts set forth in the Christian system. Having an edict dictated and our own spiritual connections questioned and dismissed is loathsome. Although we as individuals may not find this kind of spirituality refreshing; for some it is easy to have set guidelines and rituals to follow. The chances of making "mistakes" is few when all the mechanics of your spirituality is compartmentized in one little book. Think about how you found your spirituality... how long did you search and how often did your mind set change?
 
Christianity is a faith that believes there are no other faiths or spiritual practices but their own that can give the practitioner spiritual enlightenment and everlasting life. FACT. Any other thought, philosophy or concept that is not written in the Bible is secular and therefor puts the Christians mortal soul in danger. The nature of the Christian's belief system is to shun false gods. Anything in the Christian mind set that comes before their "heavenly Father" is a False god. It is their philosophy to rejoice in their spirituality and spread the word to all who will listen.
 
Most of Western civilization is accustomed to the mechanics of the Christian machine. For those who do not adhere to their principles and doctrine; it's like getting junk advertising. You can take it or throw it away, but it will still come to your door. It is something we deal with and is really just another annoyance.
 
The Judgmental view of Sarah E. Pavilk is within the norm for a Christian or any other person who has a thought in their head. As we all have demonstrated by posting our own thoughts and views on this thread.
 
Interesting little tidbit the fastest growing religion in America is the "Jedi Knight". It makes one wonder how various religions will incorporate this into their own beliefs.

"Your Jedi mind tricks won't work on me!"
 
May the force be with you,
 

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