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Discussions : Questions of Faith
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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«  (Original Message)Sent: 5/1/2004 8:12 AM
What does Faith mean to you?
How did you come to it?
Why do you have it?
 


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From: MSN NicknameLeila137601Sent: 5/1/2004 9:47 AM
Sixteen years ago I took up skydiving. At the time the most common reaction from my friends was along the lines of "why would you want to leave a perfectly good airplane?" The why is a simple one....the exhileration, joy and freedom of freefall from 10, 000 feet can not be experienced from the safety of an airplane! Faith for me is the same, it requires me often to leave the familiar for the unknown because that may be where my heart is calling me to go. I have learned from experience to not be afraid to follow my heart, to trust my intuition. This definition of faith is one I apply to all aspects of my life.

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From: DevineSent: 5/1/2004 10:08 AM
 
I have always been looking for something more.  Faith is that something.  I have been looking for explanations, reasons history and connections. Faith has the answers, the reasons, it is the history and the connections to me.  Makes sense to me, so mote it be.
 
What does Faith mean to you?It is an intimate part of each person, part of what makes them whole.  Without it we are lost souls in a sea ofemptiness.
How did you come to it? I have always looked for it but it found me and embraced me and I was "home".
Why do you have it? I think it has me not the other way round. There is no reason other than it makes me feel at one with life, with the earth and with the Spirit.
   Love and Light,
         Devine

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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«Sent: 5/1/2004 7:25 PM
"Faith is the daring of the soul to go farther then it can see"
[William Newton Clark]


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From: MSN NicknameLacedra1Sent: 5/1/2004 10:13 PM
Amen! Happy Beltane.

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From: MSN Nicknameimbas1Sent: 5/1/2004 11:46 PM
IMO,   Faith is the trust in my beliefs that gives me the confidence to do as I will with no fear. Many moons ago I lost the fear of death after a particularly low point in my life, (not that I'm in any hurry to get there...), I have a belief in the afterlife, whether ultimately right or wrong, it gives me the strength to be who I am, enjoying life, and looking for new things to be learned or experienced.

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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«Sent: 5/3/2004 4:33 AM
For myself.. I am undergoing a crisis of spirituality and faith ... the first of some magnitude. It seems that with the destruction of my holy place .. my sacred space... it left a yawning hole in both spirit and pysche. I had not realized how deeply I was tied into the loci and now find myself still in the throes of grief at its loss and unable to experience the spiritual balance I once had. I have always walked a fine line between science and spirituality ... being able to easily employ the metaphysical reality into my spiritual reality ... now all I see is the mechanics of nature (across the living spectrum from plant to human) granted, the endless patterns that create nature out of energy are still wonderous to behold ... but it no longer moves me. I was never given or taught "faith" I have always searched out my own paths and in this case it has lead me into a realm that has an unpredictable and bleak outlook.
 
 I have often taken and defended the stance that our human concept of divinity is a collection of archetypes that represent the pyschological needs of humanity ... ones that through our integrated belief created as a substanial reality with legends, stories and supposed history to uphold them. We took these archetypes and in turn created a belief structure around them ... hence a religion. But in essence, religion is little more then a series of 'skyhooks' which rely on imaginary supports to explain or describe the way things are. These are religions or personal belief systems that are held up by faith... Faith in the hope that there truly is more. Faith that there is divine providence. Faith that we exist for a reason other then a bizarre fluke of nature that has vengeful replicated itself  over and over toward self-exstinction.
 
I find myself at an impass ...surely the divine must shine elsewhere or rest silently. Questions of Faith and Truth are bothersome, and I almost wish I had closed my eyes and let the questions and angst slip away unchallenged. Is faith blind?

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From: MSN Nicknameimbas1Sent: 5/3/2004 8:43 PM

Red, I certainly would not try to belittle or minimize your pain. However, certainly, I know, from reading your hundreds of writings on these pages, that you at your core, know there is more than this. Whether we differ in the particulars of our beliefs, be it zen, quantum physics, shamanism, wicca, there is an undeniable connection to consciousness beyond ours. You've met the spirits in your house, felt the spirits in the trees, used forces beyond the pale to read the cards. The harsh reality that your comfort spot, the forest, is being transformed, does not change that you've felt, or known all these things.  Faith then, is not blind, for you see the changes and you feel the destruction personally. No one has ever said faith is easy. History shows thousands whom have died for their faith. Faith is accepting that no matter what happens, that there is a reason. That is important. Read it again. There are very few who know the wills of the gods. We simply don't know the reasons things happen the way they do. You can go stark raving mad trying to rationalize every action and why and how they all fit together. It is not for us to attempt it. Faith is simply believing that there is a reason, being grateful that you had time to experience beauty, and moving on. Yes, Red, your forest is being destroyed. But, somewhere else a forest is being planted, a garden is being sowed, a field is being returned to nature. It's not all bleak. Faith allows you to believe in yourself. We are all part of the whole. Nothing ever stays static. The forests and fields that I played in from 4 to 14 is now used car lots and fast food stores. But I found new forests in new places. Faith tells me, that there are many realities. We are here, in this one, at this time, for reasons sometimes unknown. Perhaps it is enough, that the opinions you have personally changed,  in yourself and others, to look closer, to fight the sprawl, to respect the earth, perhaps it is enough that you cared, that could be changing energy patterns for the future. Don't doubt yourself or your experiences. Health issues, friends moving, other things, these
things happen, but it doesn't change those experiences of happiness you felt before. And it doesn't close the door on new experiences that will also be as good. You have much to share and teach, too much to question your faith. Beliefs may change, faith doesn't.
As a Gemini, I know that emotions can swing sharply between the two personas that we feel. It is best to stay balanced between the two. I'm not saying that's an easy thing to do. But look for the balance Red. Remember your Celtic roots. We can laugh at anything, especially if there is nothing that can be done to change it. I hope you find peace.

 


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From: MSN NicknameÑÿmþhSent: 5/4/2004 6:16 PM

What does Faith mean to you?

Faith is believing in the unknown circumstances, and trusting that it will work in your best interests.

In the beginning of my path I was taught to make my own world a sacred space within my mind so to speak. To me at first this has seemed rather silly but now thinking on it the thought makes sense. Sacred space is the energy around you combined with you own intent. I understand the need to have a physical presences of this energy, rock, tree, water, candle..etc. but consider the idea that this energy is always at your grasp know the rock energy without seeing it, you can feel it's energy without touch and therefore you can call that energy and dispense it into you own sacred space adding only your intent. This is faith ~ feeling without knowing. Energy can neither be created or destroyed a scientific fact. So if this be true your own sacred space has not been completely destroyed. Call to it and I'm sure it will answer.

 


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From: MSN Nickname»·Redfeather·«Sent: 5/4/2004 10:52 PM
One afternoon some friends and I sat and discussed for hours on end the validity of what can be termed  an Unsubstantiated Personal Belief ... this is a personal belief that flies in the face of reason and logic... and it doesn't matter. As long as that one person believes it to be true then it is (lol.. the debate went on for hours) despite what reality looks like to you or I. This is "Faith"
 
I know there are more things in this world then I can explain ... and I have experienced a few of them that have left me dazed, confused, frightened , enlightened and estatic... does this mean they are Divine? It does not. It means only that reality has a breadth and depth beyond my understanding and that my mental framework is open enough to see and feel this.
 
The sacred is only sacred if you believe it to be divine ... if it exists in your head alone is it real enough? or do you have it in your heart and soul ... how deep does it go in order for it to touch your spirit and ignite the blaze of faith?
 
Today I saw a sign on a small church... it said simply: "Does your Path lead to Me?" and I laughed to myself. Because in the face of my doubts and the continued debate raging within... still the cosmos talks to me. It speaks through agents here at home and far away, dropping hints and bright thoughts to catch my attention. Is this then divine? or is it the cosmic conscious at work?
 
I have noticed that it seems every quarter I go through a trial by fire that sees me emerge with the dross burned away. A couple of these lessons have been exceedingly painful, others have been really enlightening, each one has been a recognizable Life Lesson... and this time? Perhaps this time it is time for the spirit hawk to truly fly.

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