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Discussions : The Ethics Of Love Spells
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From: Wanduring  in response to Message 2Sent: 2/14/2005 10:06 PM
"At the present day, occult sciences are scarcely studied except by presumptuous ignoramuses or eccentric savants; women furnish their necessary ground, in hysterical crisps and doubtful somnambulism. People want above all things prodigies; to cog the dice of Fortune, to shuffle the cards of Fate, to have philtres and amulets, to bewitch their enemies, to put jealous husbands to sleep, to discover the universal panacea of all the vices, not to reform them, but to preserve them from the two great diseases that kill them--deception and lassitude--countenance such schemes, and one is sure to travel quickly on the high road of folly. If the hasty Achilles of Homer had been wholly invulnerable, he would only have been a cowardly assassin, and the man who was sure of always gaining at play would soon ruin every one, and ought to be branded as a swindler. He who by a single act of his Will could entail on others sickness or death, would be a public Pest, of whom Society ought to rid itself; to win love, save by natural means, is to commit a sort of violation; to evoke shades is to call down upon oneself the Eternal Shadows.  To deal with demons one must be a demon. The Devil is the spirit of Evil, the fatal current of misdirected and evil wills. To enter this current is to plunge into the abyss. Moreover the Spirit of Evil only replies to rash and unhealthy curiosity. Visions are the phenomena of drunkenness or delirium. To see spirits? What a chimera! It is as though one professed to touch music and bottle thought. If the spirits of the dead have gone out from amongst us, it is because they could no longer live here. How do you suppose they are to come back?  But then it will be said, what can be the use of magic? It enables men to understand better the Truth, and desire Good in a healthier and more effective manner. It helps to heal souls and comfort bodies. It does not confer the means of doing evil with impunity, but it raises man above animal lusts. It renders man inaccessible to the agonies of desire and fear. It constitutes a divinely radiating centre, chasing away before it phantoms and darkness, for it knows, it wills, it CAN, and it holds its peace. This is the true magic, not that of the Necromancers and Enchanters, but that of the initiated and the Magi.  True magic is a scientific force placed at the service of Reason. False magic is a blind force added to the blunders and disorders of Folly." ( from "Paradoxes of the Highest Science" by Eliphas Levi..."Paradox V.-Reason is God")
 
  Personally, I agree with this passage most definately about the uses of magic and it's purpose.  It should be used to bring you closer to your personal divinity, rather than used as a tool to get what you want.  People tend to like to chase down shortcuts rather than looking within and fixing themselves.  Which is what I think chasing love spells and suchlike really is.  Rather than taking the time to develop the necessary skills.  Do you need a love spell?  Can you not develop the skills necessary to fend for yourself? Anyhow I think anyone thinking about messing with magic should read Eliphas Levi's book "Paradoxes of the Highest Science" because it touches on many subjects like this.  Of course you can agree or disagree, is up to you, but I find it to be the best bit of information on magic as a whole.  You can find the book at http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/levi/phs/index.htm . Well worth the read.